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Posted by oh2o on May 28, 2013 at 05:54 pm
...why are they still covering them up?
Posted by Mike V. on December 14, 2011 at 03:44 pm
The question was answered and has been answered... Multiple times even. Now we just repeat and rehash everything that has been said in three or four other threads. It wouldn't be Allpar if we didn't regeritate everything three or four time and jump to as many conclusions as possible.
Why do people keep asking the same questions over and over again,?? Dodge doesnt "Need" a Midsize sedan offering. the Dart will be large enough to take its place.. and thats been said over and over!.
Posted by Bob_Sheaves on August 15, 2010 at 09:44 pm
Posted by lvelleq (o)llllll(o) on January 15, 2013 at 10:17 pm
I want you all to know that I just typed out a long, detailed response to this thread.
And then I erased it. Because I had to.
But I can tell you this with absolute clarity: The overriding themes expressed here and in the DOJ thread have been delivered to the highest levels of Jeep and CG management.
I know -- 'cause I delivered 'em myself.
Posted by MoparNorm on June 22, 2011 at 08:30 am
Posted by jam1 on June 3, 2013 at 09:11 am
From a consumer standpoint, would like to offer congratulations to ALL(assembly, mgmt., WHOMEVER) employees! Thanks for what you do!
Posted by Muther on February 5, 2013 at 10:11 am
Chrysler's brands have some ground to recover post bankruptcy in people's (i.e. non car nuts) minds. Everything from quality to integrity has to be proven to many of these folks...
Effective? Probably but not in a conventional way. Pandering? Maybe but that's advertising for better or worse...
In my (admittedly not) very humble opinion, none of the F-C Suberbowl ads are, or were, aimed directly at moving product. They are image ads. There are a lot (and I mean a lot) of people that only remember the Ford/Mopars of the beginning of the Iaccoca era (they saved a company, so I am not complaining. I am simply stating my observations). These ads were meant to tell people, that when it is time to buy a car, Mopar is the go to company. I have no issues with an Italian based owner pimping American product and exploiting American Patriotism. As long as it is authentic. I have zero issues with patriotism. As long as it is authentic. I have no issues with another country hoisting our flag next to theirs, and saying thanks. We owe it to them, and they owe it to us.
I dislike war, death, pain, and suffering, but I realize it is part of life.
I disliked the ad, not because it wasn't a good ad. It was a fantastic ad. I disliked it becasue it made me think again, about how much I dislike a certain side of myself. I have caused much more pain in this life than the love I have created in it. Everyday, I have tried to make up for it. If you want to hear my story, come sit with me, and we'll talk, but I'd rather just talk about cars, and video games, and my kids, and my lovely wife (not neccessarily in that order).
Posted by eastcoaster on February 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm
On the Ram AD:
I am incredibly dissapointed in the ignorance of the internets, the # of people who are mad becasue it started with "on the 8th day God created farmers" and how they all think that is making a huge push on christianity, and then on top of that how many people are complaining STILL how Chrylser took a "bailout" and that they wont buy a Ram for all of those reasons
Not realizing that;
A.it was a Paul Harvey Speech form the FFA convention, not written for the AD.
B Chrysler paid back all owed to the Goverment, like any responsible person should do with their debt to their loaner.
Sorry for my short rant, yes I know I can't fix stupid.
I loved the commerical, being a farmer, and FFA member myself; not to mention a huge fan of "And that's the rest of the story"
As one of the Jewish members of this forum, I find it repulsive that some people get upset at the spirituality of this ad. After all, the creation story isn't "owned" by only one religion. I guess they are upset at the picture of a church and of people sitting at the dinner table, praying in a way that many of my Christian friends pray?
Why should that bother ANYONE? When will we, as a nation, recognize that the mark of a good human, and certainly the mark of a spiritual human, is not WHERE we pray or HOW we pray but rather WHERE we do what is right and just, and HOW we go about doing so? If someone finds the courage to do what is right in life at a church or a synagogue or mosque, or at the dinner table or even at a campfire, what does that matter? What matters is that they find that courage and that they do what is right.
This ad was about being selfless and doing what is right. About making a difference, even when nobody else is watching. That is what all legitimate religions preach. It is also what we all hope our American culture preaches as well. What makes the ad so powerful is that farmers are the perfect role models of this behavior.
On a COMPLETELY different note....did anyone notice how this wasn't just an ad for Dodge Ram (or farmers)? It was also an ad of Case Tractor! I thought that was a VERY intelligent way of cross-promoting a Fiat Industrial partner...
Posted by oh2o on November 29, 2011 at 03:52 pm
Production currently scheduled for early January. At dealers ~late January/February
Do we know when it goes on sale?
U.S.= under final review.
Pricing, however, remains a mystery.
Posted by Dr. Z on October 27, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Marauder_Pilot on July 10, 2011 at 06:31 pm
Posted by scook6 on June 3, 2011 at 08:03 am
Posted by Bob_Sheaves on April 12, 2011 at 07:34 pm
Posted by Bob_Sheaves on November 21, 2010 at 03:55 pm
See just whom tried to shut me up again (FThorn) with the red button again on my previous post. Too bad these idiots can't "man up" and have to use a sneaky way of disagreeing with my posts, thereby proving my point of not being able to confront me with facts, so resorting to underhanded crap to try to undermine my comments.
What I'm curious about is whether MoparNorm is accurate when he claims that the Trail Rated Patriot with Freedom Drive II can't hold a candle to the stock Cherokee,...
No, he is not correct. Trail Rated is a pass/fail test regimen, NOT a "better than" or graded test. Either it does meet the specs, or it doesn't, same as the formal military testing.
This does NOT mean the Patriot is the same as the XJ-it is NOT. BUT in the Trail Rating tests, they both pass. Change the test requirements and you can make either seem better than the other. Patriot rides a heck of a lot better than the XJ ever did, within it's limitations. Cherokee (XJ) could handle a greater RMS variation.
.... that the Trail Rated Liberty can't hold a candle to the stock Cherokee, etc. -- and your perceptions of whether it is possible to design a Jeep Cherokee/Liberty that:
1. Can be built interchangeably with midsized cars Yes
2. Can be built so it is affordable, that is, costs no more than current Liberty NO
3. Can match the Cherokee/Liberty in just about all off-road situations, and beat it where possible -- without any more damage than the Cherokee would sustain Yes
4. Has similar or better gas mileage versus current Cherokee/Liberty Yes
5. Has similar or better interior space as the Cherokee. Maybe-not sure here...
I believe that's the list of criteria people would use to determine whether a true Cherokee replacement is being made, unless I'm missing something.
I'm also curious about whether you believe, if such a vehicle is possible, that it can be built within current corporate constraints. Yes, IF costs can be contained.
I would assume that the best path to such a vehicle would be a return to the basic Cherokee suspension architecture, with whatever materials and engineering changes are merited by the march of technology. Not necessarilly...depends on the overall tradeoffs that determine costs.
I don't know, however, whether Chrysler has the people in place to do the engineering AND to approve it AND to push for it in the first place.
I personally believe the Liberty went wrong primarily because the Daimler people believed every vehicle must have the same type of rear suspension.
Posted by Stratuscaster on May 4, 2013 at 01:39 pm
The Dart GT is in the final stages of durability testing, looking like it will be a 2014 meaning August/Sept
Posted by tryphon on April 19, 2013 at 06:28 am
I wonder if I am the only one who is fed up with all the negativity spewing from just a handful of old timers who write on this board.
I appreciate criticism of Chrysler's management when something comes up that is objectionable or even just questionable. However, some folks just keep writing critical posts, keep repeating the same old whining in every topic, at the slightest chance. Guys, we know you live in the rosy memories of a long gone past! This is today. The issue is survival: Chrysler went down the drain twice before, regardless of the fact (or perhaps because of it) that they were building the old classics you guys pine for. For Chrysler to survive, they needed a change of management style and a new way to design cars that are lighter and more fuel efficient. As a byproduct of these requirements, they also ride much better than the heavy barges of old.
Somehow, this constant whining and criticism of everything (almost, anyway) that is done by the new management are making this fine board less interesting, more repetitive and seemingly run by the critics....
There is much going on at Chrysler/FIAT, lots of exciting new cars, new technologies being introduced, new markets being opened up... and all we hear is constant repetition of the death of a Brand or how today's Chrysler engineers do not know how to design a suspension system, while our local "experts" think they could teach them how to do their work.
End of rant.
I wonder if I am alone in feeling this way.
Posted by RVC on April 13, 2013 at 03:33 am
I agree with you, but if Nissan offered him something, believe me Fiat has the money to do it, they are so proud that if Fred came to them and said what an offer he was having, those Italians rather let him go.
He knows a lot about Chrysler and the RAM,just hope those Italians will not act as with MR. DON CORLIONE.
no offense, but if you feel you must express this kind of disprespect and are willing to go as far as implying that Marchionne is from the Mafia, then you should leave the company ASAP.
Posted by Erik Latranyi on March 8, 2013 at 07:46 pm
The PT is a great example where a company with all the research, data and surveys totally missed the target demographic.
Perhaps this will happen with the Cherokee as well, but if I were in management and looked at the comments on Facebook, Allpar, Detroit News, etc. I would be quaking in my boots right now.
Yes, the internet is a jaded place where cowards can hide behind pseudonyms and say the most incendiary things. Given that, there is an element of truth in some that is posted. It just takes a sober look to separate the wheat from the chaff.
With regard to this thread, the Death of Jeep is about more than just XJ versus KL. It is more than solid axles versus independent. It is about heritage, roots and what makes Jeep so valuable that it will be a major international brand. If you do not understand how Jeep got here and where it is heading, then you do not understand branding, business nor the value of something more than the sum of its parts and should think before commenting.
Posted by Muther on February 7, 2013 at 10:15 am
Missed all this.
I am a big fan of Top Gear, but you have to realize something about the show. It looks like it is all "ad lib, run what ya brung, off the cuff, and improvised". I will tell you this: it is one of the most tightly scripted shows anywhere.
Motorweek’s editorial is written after the data is gathered, and the driving and filming are done. Top Gear writes their editorial and then tells the production crew to film that editorial. They knew what they were going to write, before they even saw the car. They knew it was going to be a preprod. They knew what to look for, and were told to do that during filming. They are not amateurs at what they do, any more than Mopar is an amateur at what they do. I like Top Gear, but you have to take it for what it is. It is less an informative show, and more a funny diversion.
In series 14, they reviewed a Hawk 3000. This is a spot on, using factory drawings, as exact as possible Lancia Stratos replica. The "LAP" of that Lancia/Hawk Stratos/3000 was actually about 15 laps. They couldn’t get the car to spin, the Stig came in, and discussion was had. He went back out, did laps, and purposefully spun out. The Hawk people were furious, about the whole thing, and about how the car was reviewed. The car that was shown was actually a rally racer that was all but dead, and had been rebuilt ground up in about three days to meet the shows production schedule. If the show does not like you, then you will get a bad review no matter what. If the show likes you (Benz) you get stellar reviews.
I am not worried at all, about what Top Gear says about anything, any more than I would care what the Brady Bunch said about a car.
Sending a full production car would have meant missing series 19, and moving to 20. Now, in series 20, Top Gear will do the Viper again (likely), and just as likely, it was arranged when the preprod was given to them in the same way the ZR1-Viper rematch was (likely) scheduled when RG lent MT that pre-prod Viper. Top Gear loves stuff like that. They get to hammer the car, then later they get to come back to it to say "we showed you a preprod last year… it didn’t go well for the Viper… well… now we have a real Viper... Let’s see if we can have any fun with it". Like Henry II di when Thomas Beckett was murdered, take a few lashings and you can come out looking lots better in the end.
Take the longview folks. This is RG building a rapport with the show. Up to now Mopar has hated the show and the show has hated Mopar, and Mopars have gotten terrible reviews. Give RG some credit. I wouldn't be suprised to see RG hisself on the show doing a hot lap, and pulling an ACR out of his back pocket (which they will love); and, RG is no slouch behind the wheel. (EDIT: I would bet a paycheck, and I am well paid, that RG is dying to do a hot lap. Buying his way into a hot lap with an ACR for them, is something the show would eat up.)
You have to get burnt to slay dragons.
Posted by MoparNorm on December 16, 2012 at 12:09 pm
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