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Back To The Waterbox... Correct size of Allen wrench to remove plug Rate Topic: -----

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 07:02 PM

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My 5th Daytona ('92IROC, 2.5T), and I finally got caught with a vaporlock while refilling my radiator! Of course the plug in the waterbox doesn't want to budge. I am soaking it in penetrant right now, but am wondering if the plug takes an SAE or Metric Allen wrench. I have plenty of both, but don't want to strip out the plug using something "close". I did, by the way, have the car up on jackstands with the heater running while I filled the radiator back up. Maybe I should ask: SAE, Metric, or dynamite...
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 08:13 PM

I don't want to say 'never' but..... you'll never get that out.

Instead pull the thermostat housing and drill a 1/16" hole in the rim of the thermostat above the 'workings'. In this way as you fill the radiator the air will flow through the hole. Then raise the radiator cap higher than the thermostat and fill it with the cap off. Crank the car and let it warm up and keep filling as the level falls. As the thermostat opens it will start to flow. With the system 'full' turn off the engine and top off the radiator, replace the cap and fill the overflow tank about half way.

The system is not burped.
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 08:48 PM

It's a 5/16" allen wrench. It's like the only thing that is not metric on these cars.

As for never getting it off, I broke a couple of my neighbor's allen wrenches trying to get the plug off. It helps if you have a metal pipe to use as a breaker bar to loosen it up. If you do get it off make sure you apply Teflon tape to it.

As for my plug, I've replaced it with a brass one with a square head so I can use a wrench on it.
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 08:52 PM

There is no reason to remove it, really.

Just drill the hole in the thermostat. In the long run it's far easier and the other benefits are substantial.

For example......

As the head heats up coolant will flow through that tiny hole which (believe it or not) will reduce the stress on the head when the thermostat finally opens as a tiny bit of hot coolant flows through during warm up.

Also it's guaranteed to properly burp the air out of the system.
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 09:10 PM

View PostBob ONeill, on Apr 20 2009, 08:52 PM, said:

There is no reason to remove it, really.

Just drill the hole in the thermostat. In the long run it's far easier and the other benefits are substantial.

For example......

As the head heats up coolant will flow through that tiny hole which (believe it or not) will reduce the stress on the head when the thermostat finally opens as a tiny bit of hot coolant flows through during warm up.

Also it's guaranteed to properly burp the air out of the system.


I learned this the hard way on my original '86 GLHS way back in the early 90's.
The plug seized in that head and I had to drill it out.
I started drilling the hole in the thermostat at that time and have never tried to remove the plug in any other head.
Just leave the plug in there and drill the thermostat. Works great.
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 10:01 PM

Thanks for the responses! I should have mentioned I always drill two 7/32" holes, at 10 and 2 o'clock in the thermostat. I guess I could try another 1/16" hole at 12 o'clock and fill it slowly...maybe I just got ahead of myself...thanks again!

This post has been edited by abishop: 20 April 2009 - 10:02 PM

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 10:03 PM

The straight up position is best.
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Posted 21 April 2009 - 09:06 AM

If you were a registered user, you would not be seeing this!

I have never had to drill a hole in a thermostat, and never had trapped air. Just park the car uphill and run it with the cap off and heater on, and the air will bleed out.

Vaporlock is a stallout condition from fuel vaporizing and not flowing in an liquid state. You have no vaporization of coolant here, it's trapped air.

I tried removing that plug the day after I bought my car new. No go. Don't even bother. Not worth creating a leak that will need aluminum welding.
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View PostBob Lincoln, on Apr 21 2009, 09:06 AM, said:

I have never had to drill a hole in a thermostat, and never had trapped air. Just park the car uphill and run it with the cap off and heater on, and the air will bleed out.

Vaporlock is a stallout condition from fuel vaporizing and not flowing in an liquid state. You have no vaporization of coolant here, it's trapped air.

I tried removing that plug the day after I bought my car new. No go. Don't even bother. Not worth creating a leak that will need aluminum welding.


Thanks for the correction, Bob! You're right, I don't have a vaporlock. I should at least think before I type...trapped air is just an irritation, not a problem. I'll fix my irritation this weekend.

Also a thank you to Bob O'Neill who has more diplomacy skills than Henry Kissinger. You said, "I don't want to say 'never'...but you're never going to get that out." You easily could have said, "Drill the hole, you twit." You managed to leave my self-esteem intact! Hey everyone: Listen to both Bobs! You'll learn something.
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Posted 23 April 2009 - 05:18 PM

Also could be you just need to drive it up the street and back. the last two times I flushed my system, I refilled w/ the engine up and still wouldn't burp. put it in gear and moved it down the street and back and BELCH.. All cleared up.
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 03:07 PM

i've never had to do any of this.i just start up my tona,pop the cap off and fill til it's full.then fill the overflow halfway.the previous owner had replaced the radiator and the fill hole sits higher than the waterbox.am i understanding correctly that the original radiators sit a tad lower than the waterbox thus trapping some air?either way i've never had any issues.
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