The Name "challenger." Is It Good For Marketing?

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#21 Guest_71m07hySm17h_*

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:57 PM

And DARE i ask name a Phord.... - MINUS the RUSTANG! - We are not getting into the Apples vs Oranges Argument again.

Ford GT is fun, where's my cookie.

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#22 Herb

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 04:06 PM

Studebaker used the Challenger name too. Regardless, it works for me. However, I'm biased since I did own 2 E-Body Challengers. Some of this discussion is the '70s all over again - Cuda vs Challenger. I am not aware of anyone ever changing their mind. Also I don't thnk Charger was really appropriate for a 4 door. However, it was the best that Chrysler could do - unless you were in law enforcement Coronet and Polara don't exactly evoke images of performance in your mind.

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 04:43 PM

69rdrnr, on Jan 6 2006, 09:40 PM, said:

Yeah. That's what I want to do. I in no way implied that the name was supposed to be taken literally. Simply stating that I believe people take cues from a name. Firebird certainly has a performance feel to it. While my 4 year old might think that name means the car flies and bursts into flame, I would hope that most people of car buying age would not. As far as a name having no meaning, that is true at some level. However, people in general are superficial and somewhat stupid. An appropriate name can make a huge difference as far as grabbing the attention of potential buyers, especially in the muscle car market. I don't think that the Dodge Slug would sell well versus the Mustang. I doubt a Ford Gelding would have had much success against the 'Cuda. If I could travel back in time, I would not be concerned about changing the name of the Challenger. I would be more interested in procuring a couple of Hemi-Cudas for my retirement. Then I wouldn't have to worry that I might have to drive a '99 Firebird ;)

Well, if you think about it any car you come across on the street, you would be the Challenger. You never know what you would run into. No car out there can claim to be a Champion, always someone faster. :D I can't really think of any good names that would make it sound more of a muscle/pony car. It fits nicely, and isn't weak/queer.

There is nothing wrong with '99 Firebirds... :o
It's my first car and it will beat a new Challenger. Should I sell it for more refinement, safety, warranty, fresh new car smell for a downgrade in performance? Only if it weighs significantly less than the current LX cars. B)

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 11:39 AM

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It's my first car and it will beat a new Challenger.

I had less enthusiasm for my first car, an '88 Civic. But it got me around. I'm interested why you believe there will be a downgrade in performance when we haven't seen the finished product.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 01:10 PM

[quote name='juma1998' date='Jan 5 2006, 09:35 AM' post='577541']
How can everyone be be disappointed in the Charger? Honestly?

You ask how anyone can be dissappointed? Well , i am one of the dissappointed and this is why. I used to own a 1970 Charger R/T - 440 six pk w/ pistol grip 4 spd etc , 30 odd yrs ago. My first thought is that you're probably too young to know the period and that's ok. The Charger nameplate held an awful lot of weight in the 2 dr performance era from the 70's for alot of us and to see it brought back and put on a 4 dr sedan is a downright disgrace to the nameplate. Kinda reminds me of that hopped up Omni they tried in the 80's. Man why does Chysler hate this car so much ? I remember when we'd go downtown on Sun night , this was one of the machines to pay serious respect too - the others were Hemi's. I don't want to take anything away from the new car's looks and performance as it's a very nice car. It's just not a Charger to us who remember back then. It's something else.
Since i'm in this section though - i hope they do build this Challenger , since we have no (Charger) , the younger brother is going to have to do as long as i can special order one with that 6.4 hemi.

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#26 Bob_Sheaves

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 02:51 PM

There is no 6.4 Hemi. If you are referring to the 392 shown at SEMA, that is a crate engine ONLY.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 04:26 PM

Bob_Sheaves, on Jan 8 2006, 02:51 PM, said:

There is no 6.4 Hemi. If you are referring to the 392 shown at SEMA, that is a crate engine ONLY.

Best regards...

Are ya getting blue in the face from reminding people of that, yet? :lol:

Just ribbing with ya Bob. :D

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 04:43 PM

BillP2R, on Jan 6 2006, 12:01 AM, said:

Honda S 2000.

------------------------- Bill

Ya if you dont like Bang for the buck!

SRT-4 is quicker.. - For substantially cheaper

71m07hySm17h, on Jan 6 2006, 09:57 PM, said:

And DARE i ask name a Phord.... - MINUS the RUSTANG! - We are not getting into the Apples vs Oranges Argument again.

Ford GT is fun, where's my cookie.

I got ur Cookie!! LOL :P

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 07:33 PM

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Ya if you dont like Bang for the buck!

SRT-4 is quicker.. - For substantially cheaper

While I agree that the SRT-4 is fast, fun and an excellent value (we have one), I thought the challenge was to name even one stock Honda high performance "driver's car".

A friend has a Honda S 2000, and I do believe it handles better than our SRT-4.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 10:58 PM

Bob_Sheaves, on Jan 8 2006, 02:51 PM, said:

There is no 6.4 Hemi. If you are referring to the 392 shown at SEMA, that is a crate engine ONLY.

Best regards...

I had read that but you never know - dare to dream ...

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 04:39 PM

please no i.r.s. and a good gear in the rear!If its gonna challenge the 07 Cobras it better have close to 500hp or be considered another dissappointment .

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 06:51 PM

Six Pack Steve, on Jan 9 2006, 04:39 PM, said:

please no i.r.s. and a good gear in the rear!If its gonna challenge the 07 Cobras it better have close to 500hp or be considered another dissappointment .

If I'm not mistaken, the Challenger is competing with the base Mustang on through the Mustang GT. The Cobra, if I remember correctly, is Fords competitor to the Viper and Vette.

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 09:39 PM

Six Pack Steve, on Jan 9 2006, 04:39 PM, said:

please no i.r.s. and a good gear in the rear!If its gonna challenge the 07 Cobras it better have close to 500hp or be considered another dissappointment .

IF it is built, it WILL have IRS due to the platform base....guess you are going to have to cut out the Cobra suspension and graft it on :lol: :lol: :lol:

dang, everyone's a suspension engineer.....guess it is time for me to retire completely...

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 12:54 AM

No... Actually Bob, look at how much money you could make with either an after market swap kit or a how to manual. No reason not to fleece the sheep... :)

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aeromaestro, on Jan 9 2006, 06:51 PM, said:

If I'm not mistaken, the Challenger is competing with the base Mustang on through the Mustang GT. The Cobra, if I remember correctly, is Fords competitor to the Viper and Vette.

That would be the Ford GT.If i'm gonna shell out mid to upper 30's it better run with a Cobra.So the baddest version of the hemi Dodge can come up with will compete with a basic 4.6 Mustang GT.Thats very lame to say the least.I wanna see mid/high 12's off the floor. Build it right or dont build it at all.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 09:51 AM

Bob_Sheaves, on Jan 9 2006, 09:39 PM, said:

IF it is built, it WILL have IRS due to the platform base....guess you are going to have to cut out the Cobra suspension and graft it on :lol: :lol:

dang, everyone's a suspension engineer.....guess it is time for me to retire completely...

Best regards....

Your washed up anyways! Heck what do u know anyways! :P

Gotta keep u on ur toes :lol:

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#37 Bob_Sheaves

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 11:15 AM

Wolven, on Jan 10 2006, 12:54 AM, said:

No... Actually Bob, look at how much money you could make with either an after market swap kit or a how to manual. No reason not to fleece the sheep... :)

Only problem would be that the wannbes would not spend the $150.00 or so for a manual..... :) (after all, look how many people on the tech boards want free advice becasue they are too cheap to buy a FACTORY service manual.)

Best as always....

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 02:23 PM

Six Pack Steve, on Jan 10 2006, 06:37 AM, said:

OK, I got the Cobra confused with the GT. Oops. I do get things confused easily. :unsure:

However, the Cobra is still a specialty car, where as the Challenger is still a concept with no guaranteed production date. Rest assured, that IF the Challenger goes into production and becomes a hit, they may look at a specialty version of the Challenger to go against the Cobra IF and ONLY if there is a justifiable market. Something I highly suspect is miniscule and not worth going after, in my opinion.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 03:27 PM

I guess the point im making is base Hemi vs Mustang GT or Hemi SRT 8(hipo hemi what ever it is) able to run with a Cobra.Hopefully a Hemi will be more then just a set of stickers.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:28 PM

Six Pack Steve, on Jan 10 2006, 03:37 AM, said:

See: http://www.motortren...rio/index7.html

The 300C SRT8 runs 0-60 in 4.9 sec and 13.2 sec 1/4 miles. The Challenger should be a little faster with the same engine!

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