[Tweety Bird]

If you were a registered user, you would not be seeing this!

I'm going to keep my head down on this one...

[ChallengerSRT8]

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...a limited edition, that means dealers will just push the price sky high and it will become nothing more then another rich persons toy.

Yes they will sell every one they make, but it will defeat the main purpose of getting an exciting car into the hands of younger buyers, Chrysler does not need another viper type limited high cost vehicle.

Agreed 100%! BUT

What you need to consider is that DCX is trying a new “Flex-Plant” manufacturing process. Search around here for a proper explanation of the program. What folks like you and I need to do if we choose to see the glass as half full, is wish DCX success on building the limited Challengers. Then with high demand DCX builds Challengers with many other configurations. Right now it’s still all too early to get worked up.

[Bob_Sheaves]

...and I get grilled and chastised by people becasue I don't post...






















...........that SAME THING OVER AND OVER.................................

























This is a very good example of "Who is John Galt"?

[aeromaestro]

If you were a registered user, you would not be seeing this!

Bob_Sheaves, on Feb 17 2006, 09:25 PM, said:

...and I get grilled and chastised by people becasue I don't post...
...........that SAME THING OVER AND OVER.................................
This is a very good example of "Who is John Galt"?

It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes, huh?

By the way, could Galtville use a janitor? :lol:

[Bob_Sheaves]

aeromaestro, on Feb 17 2006, 10:11 PM, said:

It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes, huh?

By the way, could Galtville use a janitor? :lol:

Naw...a brick wall has texture, heft, and finish, plus the added attraction of interesting patterns from the manufacturing and drying process. This is more like a plain, grey, thick (VERY) fog. Weightless, ephemeral, and without any solid substance.

As long as you aspire to perform at the highest level of your competence, of course. The type work is not demeaning, only those that cannot do what you do ARE demeaning.


...and of no importance.

[Bob_Sheaves]

Race Hill Farms, on Feb 20 2006, 12:55 PM, said:

Gee the last three posts in this thread contained no useful information at all, to the second poster, I can only hope that you are correct, but I think there is only a small opening here and if Chrysler does not jump on it, it will be to late.

I would love to buy one of the upcoming Shelbys, but I already know what is going to happen with that car, the Ford dealers are going to add to the sticker price, I do not pay extra for cars.

Chevy might the one in the drivers seat in this whole pony car deal, if they come out with the Camaro and price it right and build plenty of them I can see them crushing both Ford and Dodge in sales.

Dodge has the opening lets just hope they take it and run, that will put Chevy behind and I think Dodge will be able to sell the car in strong numbers, but again the Dodge dealers have to resist the temptation of adding to the sticker price.

As far as I am concerned, the manufacture prices the car with the sticker and that is in their opinion the most the car is worth, people need to start walking away from dealers who add to the sticker price, that would put a stop to this pratice once and for all.

Dealers would have no choice but to sell at reasonable prices not to exceed what the manufacture says the car is worth on the new car sticker.

It just doesn't conform to your wants for information. There has been many discussions on what is happening and the values involved. If you cannot use the search function and do basic research, please ask. What makes you think that anyone has to keep repeating the same thing over and over because you seem to be too lazy to look?

This post has been edited by Bob_Sheaves: 20 February 2006 - 08:03 PM

[Bob_Sheaves]

Race Hill Farms, on Feb 20 2006, 10:56 PM, said:

You are nothing more then a sad excuse of a little man.

I actually feel sorry for you.

I have yet to see anything that is more then a rumor of the Challenger getting the OK to be built.

When Dodge makes an official announcement we will all know for sure. Until then your grandstanding is nothing more then pure Bull Dung!

I must give you credit on one front, you would make an excellent poster child for birth control!

Ahhh.... we have another looter on the boards......go check the facts sonny. There is more spread throughout this group of boards than you will be able to comprehend. Experience counts-something you have demonstrated you DON'T have.

....another one for the ignore file....

This post has been edited by Bob_Sheaves: 20 February 2006 - 11:21 PM

[Gibons]

Hey Bob im curuous about these flex plants, and being ignorant about there working and the inherint risks involved would like to know more. I've been reading the posts in the news and rumors etc and been getting little snippets about it did I miss the full blown explination. Is there a link to a site or something were I could read up on it, or a pm of an explanation I don't want to take up to much of your valuable time educating me.

This post has been edited by Gibons: 21 February 2006 - 01:39 AM

[Bob_Sheaves]

Gibons, on Feb 21 2006, 01:38 AM, said:

Hey Bob im curuous about these flex plants, and being ignorant about there working and the inherint risks involved would like to know more. I've been reading the posts in the news and rumors etc and been getting little snippets about it did I miss the full blown explination. Is there a link to a site or something were I could read up on it, or a pm of an explanation I don't want to take up to much of your valuable time educating me.

75 percent of the info is in the News & Rumors thread on the Challenger. The rest is sprinkled around through the Caliber and some other threads in N&R. There are about 6 pages in that one thread however. PM me after you seek that out.... :)

[Bob_Sheaves]

Withdrawn comments by choice.....obviously, a lack of experience and the inability to develop independant thought by new posters means more than 30 years experience in design engineering of automobiles.

This post has been edited by Bob_Sheaves: 21 February 2006 - 12:58 PM

[Road Runner17]

"This can be done for large runs or small runs. I am sure there is even more information on how these plants work, but for the short answer that is how Honda and Toyota do it. "



If I'm not mistaken, teh difference here is that Chrysler can make extremely small runs, I don't recall teh exact figures, but we may be talking about making one vehicle only, all LX platform, of course.

[Bob_Sheaves]

Road Runner17, on Feb 21 2006, 01:31 PM, said:

.... but we may be talking about making one vehicle only, all LX platform, of course.

Which is where you are fatally incorrect. The purpose is to MIX platforms (which is not defimed as a series of parts, but as a series of hardpoints) on a ONE TO ONE schedule. Which has never been done by anyone before.

[Stratuscaster]

Please keep the personal attacks and bashing out of the threads. Thank you.

As noted, the idea here isn't to build Chargers on Monday, 300s on Tuesday, Magnums on Wednesday, and Challengers on Thursday.

It's to build any car with those defined hardpoints, at any time, in response to market demands.

Would it be easy to drop the 6.1/auto powertrain into "the Challenger?" Maybe. Would the hardcore folks drooling over the Challenger Concept accept that? No. They want a manual.

Now, I'm no engineer or auto industry veteran. But if they put forth they effort to create and "certify" this 6.1/6-speed drivetrain, would that not make it more feasible then for that drivetrain to appear in other vehicles and not just the Challenger? Perhaps that is a key goal for Chrysler? Seems like a good goal to me. And most of us have no clue just how long they've been working on such a project - some folks think this stuff just pops out of someone's behind and onto the market at light speed - and I'll tell you right now that it doesn't work that way.

IMHO, anyone that would rush out and buy a Ford GT500 once it becomes available because the Challenger wasn't available - 1: is silly, 2: is impatient, and 3: will have no trouble selling off or trading in that GT500 when the Challenger comes to market with the desired drivetrain.

You can rush everything to market just to be first, or you can take the time, do it right, and have more than just a "flavor of the moment" vehicle to offer.

But that's me.

[nothingstock]

I have relationships with two dodge dealers and both of their dealer reps said the challenger is going to be offered with a 6 speed manual or 6 speed auto. I agree that this is all supposition for now, but the dealer reps usually have some insight into the coming vehicle lines.
When the dealership manager calls me and says i need to bring in my deposit I'll know its happening for sure...
even if they dont make it it sure is nice to be excited about a dodge product for the first time in forever; I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It probably wouldnt hurt if people were to visit their local dealer and express interest in being put on a purchase list or puting a deposit down. I know from my conversations with the manager that the dealer reps do solicit feedback from the dealers regarding interest levels from time to time.

This post has been edited by nothingstock: 22 February 2006 - 01:46 AM

[Gibons]

I believe that soft tooling is supposed to be one of the big advantages they were moving towards of the flex plant were they don't have retool everytime another platform or vehicle is put on the line am I correct?