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Reid Bigland, CEO of Dodge, announced today that the 2013 Dodge Dart will start at $16,000. He also said he expected EPA gas mileage to come in at 40 mpg (whether combined or highway mileage he did not say, but it is likely highway). Photos, specifications, and details on the Dart are at http://www.dart-mouth.com/


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[MoparNorm]

Hmmm, if you can't get the taillight sections to line up perfectly on your reveal car...don't show it in white....

[marlon_jbt]

MoparNorm, on January 9, 2012 at 09:18 am, said:

Hmmm, if you can't get the taillight sections to line up perfectly on your reveal car...don't show it in white....

The R/T's hood is slightly misaligned as well.

[MoparNorm]

marlon_jbt, on January 9, 2012 at 09:21 am, said:

The R/T's hood is slightly misaligned as well.

I just noticed that on the video...come on Sergio! Half the world was watching and we just gave ammunition to many of them.
Just as in the botched 500 introduction, you only get ONE chance to make a first impression.
Luckily many consumers won't see these reveals, but still, the people writing the reviews do and these little missed details are unacceptable.

[Stratuscaster]

Pretty sure Bigland did say they expected a combined 40MPG, as the unadjusted combined was actually over 41.

[Bob_Sheaves]

MoparNorm, on January 9, 2012 at 09:18 am, said:

Hmmm, if you can't get the taillight sections to line up perfectly on your reveal car...don't show it in white....

Norm....that is not a misalignment, but a wide angle view of the "step" that flows down the cut line. An optical illusion brought on by a short focal length camera lens and a radius on the plastic.

[Bran]

Combined 40MPG, EPA? IMO, not a chance.

[Bob_Sheaves]

Bran, on January 9, 2012 at 09:45 am, said:

Combined 40MPG, EPA? IMO, not a chance.

Willing to put money where your mouth is?

[UN4GTBL]

http://www.dodge.com/en/2013/dart/

Is FINALLY updated.

SE, SXT, Rallye, R/T, Limited models w/specs up.

[Stratuscaster]

Bran, on January 9, 2012 at 09:45 am, said:

Combined 40MPG, EPA? IMO, not a chance.

Because...why? Because you've never seen it before on a gas engined vehicle that wasn't a specific "high MPG" variant?

It's called "changing the game."

[Bran]

Bob,
It's hard to believe that there is only a minor difference between unadjusted and EPA (adjusted) ratings. 41 CAFE to 40 EPA.

Stratuscaster,
Giulietta(1.4T DDCT) gets 45MPG combined in EU cycle, and although Dart may be more aerodynamic, it's still very close to Dart's number. And euro numbers are nowhere close to EPA ratings.

Maybe they used DDCT gear ratios that are in diesel Giulietta or gamed EPA like Hyundai does. But still highly unlikely for EPA comb 40MPG.

Edited by Bran, January 9, 2012 at 10:06 am.

[MoparNorm]

Bob_Sheaves, on January 9, 2012 at 09:42 am, said:

Norm....that is not a misalignment, but a wide angle view of the "step" that flows down the cut line. An optical illusion brought on by a short focal length camera lens and a radius on the plastic.

I certainly hope so, because it doesn't look good. The Red car lined up perfectly.

[Bob_Sheaves]

Bran, on January 9, 2012 at 09:57 am, said:

Bob,

It's hard to believe that there is only a minor difference between unadjusted and EPA (adjusted) ratings. 41 CAFE to 40 EPA.

Doesn't answer the question. I propose a $25.00 donation by the loser to whatever charity is determined by Dave Zatz. Are you in or out?

[MoparNorm]

Does this look familiar?

[spool_68]

i love the colours they have on the dodge site..... going to make choices hard.....

[UN4GTBL]

MoparNorm, on January 9, 2012 at 10:06 am, said:

Does this look familiar?

Yup.

Now to find out if its a trunk or lift back...

spool_68, on January 9, 2012 at 10:08 am, said:

i love the colours they have on the dodge site..... going to make choices hard.....

You'll notice that 2 colours are missing...

Theres only 10 there

[MoparNorm]

UN4GTBL, on January 9, 2012 at 10:08 am, said:

Yup.

Now to find out if its a trunk or lift back...

There is a structural support at the top of the rear window, that could facilitate a hinge, but nothing in any photo shows the trunk open.
I'd suspect they would show it off now, if it was a liftback...?

Edited by MoparNorm, January 9, 2012 at 10:11 am.

[Bran]

Bob,
I'm in.

[UN4GTBL]

MoparNorm, on January 9, 2012 at 10:10 am, said:

There is a structural support at the top of the rear window, that could facilitate a hinge, but nothing in any photo shows the trunk open.
I'd suspect they would show it off now, if it was a liftback...?

So we still don't know?

[MoparNorm]

UN4GTBL, on January 9, 2012 at 10:14 am, said:

So we still don't know?

Still don't. I've been looking at that roof support and the Giulietta lift-back until I'm cross-eyed, but there is no hard information either way. I've heard "tips" that say yes and that say no, so...it's either a lift, a future lift or no lift, isn't that helpful...