SRT V8 Engines: 6.1 and 6.4 (392) V8s; Supercharged 6.2 Hemi
Coming soon: supercharged 6.2 Hemi
The supercharged 6.2 Hemi has been all but confirmed, and is due to appear around 2014-2015 with an estimated (by us) 580-660 horsepower. It will have MDS (with the automatic, not the manual, assuming there will be a manual) and will use a clutched pulley for the supercharger; the engine uses 6.4 style cams and, reportedly, 6.4 heads. This engine, used only by SRT, will be available alongside the 6.4.
We have been told by several sources now that our earlier estimate of 580 horsepower is quite probably too low; the internal target is 700, and while we don’t believe the target will be reached when they get around to publishing SAE net figures, it’s beginning to look as though it’ll beat 600 horsepower. (It’s unclear how internal targets are measured.) As for torque, based on the capabilities of the ZF eight-speed automatic we know this engine will be hooked up to, we’re estimating a peak 640 pound-feet. That would keep the engine well within the theoretical capability of the transmission.
“fargo59” wrote that it shares heads with the Apache 6.4. which may also indicate a large bore, short stroke design (6.4 is 4.090” bore, 6.1 was 4.055”). A 4.090” bore with a 3.58” stroke would be 376 cubic inches, or 6.16 liters. “A 6.4 with a forged 5.7 crankshaft would give the right dimensions and be relatively easy to work; a shorter stroke is also going to give the idea rod to stroke ratio and make it a high revving engine.”
The engine is slated to appear in the 2015 Charger, 2015 Challenger, and possibly a new SRT Ram 1500. The intent is to compete against ZL1, ZR1, GT500, and Z28. (Thanks, Danno, oh2o, JRS200x, AutoTechnician.)
2011+ 6.4 liter production V8: 392 Hemi engines
The 6.4 Hemi (392 Hemi) is used in the 2011 and newer SRT8 cars including the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8. The engine is different from the one in the Challenger Drag Pack (the Mopar crate engine), not just because it has multiple displacement (four cylinders automatically shut off when not needed to dramatically increase gas mileage). The engines have a different bore, stroke, cam, heads, compression, and intake.
oh2o told Allpar readers about the engine in 2005, with horsepower estimated between 450 and 500; in 2008 we firmed our estimate at 480, and in 2010 it was launched with 475 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque (on Challenger; on the 2012 Charger SRT8, it was 465 hp and 465 lb-ft). To limit emissions, both spark plugs were used at top dead center and one was used before top dead center to burn off the hydrocarbons, allowing the use of less restrictive catalytic converters.
The 392 Hemi (6.4 liter) will not have MDS (four cylinder mode) when paired with a manual transmission.
A new, expensive but sturdy eight-speed automatic transmission will eventually go along with the 6.4 Hemi, along with the V6 and standard Hemi.
An “Apache 392” has reportedly been under development, a supercharged version pushing out over 600 hp. Rumor has it going into the Challenger and Grand Cherokee. Allpar member “autojunkie” wrote:
I can say that the 392 supercharging is a done deal. It was spotted on some Chrysler engineering documentation and slated for 2014. It specifically mentioned the Grand Cherokee for production intent.
I've seen many engineering documents that had projects that were eventually cancelled. The document detailing the supercharged 392 did point to production-intent, but it does not mean that it couldn't fizzle off the plan still.
Whither the 500 horsepower Hemi?
The 392 was originally rumored to hit 500 horsepower (though Allpar was always more conservative and predicted 450-480 hp). Tom Langston noted that Kraig Courtney, SRT engine design supervisor, had addressed these rumors in Mopar magazine (March/April 2011), saying that they had improved the area under the torque curve at the expense of peak numbers:
We were pretty confident that we could get 500 hp, but ... the prototype 392 was strong up high, but as you accelerated, it didn’t give you that kick in the butt we expected- a kick in the butt approaching that of the muscle cars of old. ... The first 6.4 just wasn’t as strong feeling as the numbers said it should be. So we took a look at the intake that’s being used in our trucks right now, it’s an SRV dual-runner intake that we can run short runner or long runner. Obviously, you run short runner for power and long runner for torque. So we made up some manifolds and ran them in a car and it felt a LOT better. Not as much horsepower, but the area under the torque curve was far bigger. ... We can go out and, quite honestly, take on some of the competition’s cars that are more powerful according to their numbers.
|G1 5.7||G1 5.7||G2 5.7||G2 5.7||G2.1 5.7||6.1 SRT8||6.4 (392)|
|As used in...||Ram||Charger||Ram||Challenger||Chall.||SRT8||SRT8|
|Horsepower||345 @ 5,600||340 @ 5,000*||390||375 @ 5,800||379||425 @ 6,000||475|
|Torque||375 @ 4,400||390 @ 4,000||407||398 @ 4,200||410||420 @ 4,800*||460|
* Manual transmission is limited to 410 lb-ft torque.
Dual spark plugs
Michael E. Gemmel wrote: “Each cylinder has an ignition coil pack over one spark plug, and a regular plug wire connected to the other spark plug. Further, the coil pack also has a plug wire attached to it that extends to the opposite cylinder bank. Each cylinder shares a coil pack with another cylinder. Each of the two plugs on a given cylinder is fired by a separate coil. One plug has a coil directly attached, and the other is fired via an ignition wire connected to a coil located on another cylinder on the opposite bank. The benefits would be one-half the number of coils (8 vs. 16) compared to each plug having its own coil, and of course less weight.”
“Cryptojoe” wrote: “The extra plug fires during the power stroke to more fully burn the hydrocarbons. ... the second ignition allows additional power in the down stroke while lowering the need for restrictive catalyst plates in the converter.
“In the 1980s Japanese manufacturers reduced unburned hydrocarbons by placing spark plugs either in the exhaust pipe (which fired with every piston ignition) or in the exhaust manifold (which fired each time their corresponding cylinder fired). Chrysler morphed this idea to include dual fired plugs on each cylinder, which allows the firing to take place closer to top dead center, and then again when the piston is on the back side of the power stroke.”
Patrick added: “This [also reduces] NOx and ozone. Full combustion results in heat, water, and carbon dioxide. NOx emissions are only significant during incomplete or partial combustion, due to the lack of available oxygen, high temperatures, and various chemical reactions. That's why catalytic converters have been standard on cars for the past 3 decades. The extra set of spark plugs on the HEMI and on previous engines are designed to reduce emissions before a catalyst is needed. They add some horsepower, but not very much.”
The source for most of this information is Popular Hot Rodding.
The cam was placed high up in the block to keep the pushroads as short as possible. The hollow cam has oversized journals and lobes to minimize side loading on the roller-style lifters. The valve springs are beehive types, more effective than standard springs so they can be lighter, with less lifter collapse. Rockers have much less inertial mass than usual, with the form and size carefully designed for a conservative .500 inches of lift; but the valves flow well enough to make this more than enough.
The engine has been designed for lighter weight. The new Hemi is precision cast, which allows it to be lighter than a typical 5.7 liter engine, even with a taller deck height than Chevy's; and, partly to counter the inertia of its relatively long stroke, the pistons were made light as well, using cast eutectic alloy. The slipper-style piston has much in common with racing pistons, with a weight of 413 grams. For longevity, the Hemi pistons use a hard anodize on the top ring land, to act as a heat barrier and anti-micro weld mix, and to allow the top ring to be only 3 mm from the top of the piston, cutting emissions while bringing more power. As with the old 426 Hemi, the rings are also relatively thin. Also in common with racing engines is a reservoir groove undeneath the top ring, to reduce the pressure between the top and second ring.
The skirt is coated to allow for variance in production piston sizes, increase the fit for ring seal, and reduce piston noise. The lightweight wrist pin is also high-set.
The crank has larger inner counterweights than equivalent Chevy engines; but their weight is offset by the lighter pistons and rods. A windage tray sits underneath the crank, while the serpentine belt pulley also acts as a torsional vibration damper. The connecting rods are also designed for strength and low weight, negating the need for a balance pad. A cap bolt is used instead of a through bolt.
A speed density system is used for measuring air into the engine rather than air mass.
The 2 inch ports flow 270 cfm at .600 inches of lift, with peak flow at .375 inches. At .250, the stock head also had excellent flow. The exhaust port hits 161 cfm at .600 lift, with a 1.55 inch valve. Both have unusually good velocity and distribution throughout their range - even compared with a Chevy LS6 engine. The engine apparently takes well to simple porting.
The original Hemis and the current one both have dual rocker shafts, large (similarly sized) valves, and two valves per cylinder arranged in a similar pattern for efficiency. The engine's unique two-valve hemispherical combustion chamber provides impressive air flow, torque, and power. Fifty-six pounds lighter than the 5.9-liter V-8, the 5.7-liter Hemi produced 41% more power and 12% more peak torque in its original form.
An electronic throttle control system compensates for changes in the engine load needed by the air conditioning system, compressor, alternator, power steering pump and automatic speed control.
Hesitation when shifting (up to 2005). The engine computer lowers torque when shifting to preserve transmission life, but a service bulletin covers shift hesitation during wide-open throttle on early (2005) SRT-8 cars. When the gas pedal is floored, the engine RPM may go beyond the redline before the shift from first to second is made, so there’s a “short hard bump” as the shift begins, especially when the pedal is floored from about 15 mph. The problem has been solved with new software, and only applied to cars built before July 25, 2005. There is also reportedly a computer upgrade that fixes intermittent engine RPM limiting and ineffectual A/C in early (pre-2006?) Hemis.
What made the 6.1 SRT version different
The SRT engine includes numerous modifications from the standard Hemi, such as:
- Reinforced bulkheads.
- Larger cylinder bores, by 3.5 millimeters, honed with torque plates to ensure a truer bore.
- Oil squirters, aimed at the underside of each piston, aided by a special oil pump pressure relief valve.
- Modified oil pan and windage tray.
- Larger-diameter, flat-top pistons with high-load capability.
- Revised connecting rods using higher-strength powder metal material. New floating piston pins.
- Crankshaft forged from micro-alloy steel, in tri-metal main bearings, with retuned damper.
- Head ports designed with larger cross-sectional area. This allows 11 percent higher flow in the intake ports, and 13 percent higher flow in the exhaust ports.
- A billet steel, high-strength camshaft features more overlap and lift for better performance.
- Intake valves feature hollow stems and 2 mm larger heads. The hollow exhaust valve stems are filled with sodium to dissipate heat. Premium valve springs with external dampers enable higher engine speed operation to 6,400 rpm and allow the peak output engine speed to increase to 6,000 rpm from 5,000 rpm.
- Specially designed intake and exhaust manifolds.
- Cast aluminum intake manifold with shorter, larger-diameter and tapered runners for high-speed tuning. Internal runners are core-dipped to smooth the runner finish and improve air flow.
- 14% higher fuel injector flow capacity; higher-flow air cleaner box with a tuned resonator delivering a deep performance sound character (and good for an extra eight horsepower).
- Exhaust headers are individual tubes encased in a stainless steel shell. Exhaust runners allow increased gas flow while maintaining fast catalyst light-off, while adding 12 horsepower over the 5.7-liter engine’s cast manifolds.
- Dual knock sensors with premium fuel.