I can't see them developing a new hybrid drivetrain to use solely in Wrangler. This would have to be part of a much larger hybrid strategy that we haven't really heard anything about lately.
Any Insiders know anything about a hybrid program that's really active?
Dave, wasn't that transmission one of the older models, not the new 8-speeds? TBH I just don't remember, but I didn't think they'd done any work on either the 8 or 9-speed transmission to incorporate the hybrid drive capability.
would have been nice to package Wrangler as the first serious hybrid option and expand from there, The hybrid tranny will not see that great of an improvement and the series givers you instant peak torque.
Isn't Volvo presenting a system like this right now?
EDIT: no, it's actually much less involved, this is just a mild AT hybridization which is pretty much what a lot of other manufacturers have been doing for quite some time. It's also embedded in the ZF 8hp tranny by design IIRC.
A good way to save some fuel without changing the character of the vehicle... it's what they will be doing for the new minivans with the other tranny.
There are a few issues with a Hybrid Wrangler, however looking at the positive, it would remove the IFS excuse for reaching CAFE goals, since Hybrid and E-85 vehicles fall into a not really apples to apples math niche, when CAFE calculations are factored.
So if offering a hybrid Wrangler helps them meet CAFE (even if they don't sell any) and that keeps the solid front axle alive, it's a good thing.
the wrangler could be perfect...
- instant torque management on each wheel!
- instant travel management on each wheel!
- peak torque at crawl speed!
All computer controlled, no need for expensive, wheighty troubelsome gears...
- Note could be!
"Perfect" for those who can't drive, but performance similar to KL.
An all electric, 4 motor Wrangler might have those characteristics, but a Hybrid would likely not.
Perfect unless you travel through water, dust, or adverse conditions and weight isn't an issue.
Nothing is "perfect", there would be trade offs.
small 2.0 or less diesel in series mode maybe an ultra high capacitor. electric motor with 450lbs of torque. Remy has a couple of hybrid electric motors on the shelf.
Norm is generally correct. All the electronic doodads do NOT improve the driver skill. All any one of them do is take away skill, NOT improve that skill. If you want toys to play with you should NOT be in ANY situation beyond your skill level.
When the M998 was first sold to civilians before you were allowed to purchase one you HAD to go through a driver training specific to the HMMVW. If you refused, you were not allowed to purchase one by AMG, PERIOD.
Norm is generally correct. All the electronic doodads do NOT improve the driver skill. All any one of them do is take away skill, NOT improve that skill. If you want toys to play with you should NOT be in ANY situation beyond your skill level.
It is my opinion that Drivers Ed should use vehicles where all the technological aids are disabled. It is only through learning how to properly operate a vehicle, understanding how and why things happen that you can use modern safety aids correctly.
I am really glad that my first car in 1978 was a 4 door Impala with a 283 and Powerglide. It didn't handle well, or accelerate quickly or brake well with drum brakes on all four corners.
What it did do was get me in trouble at much slower speeds. That gave me time to develop my drivers skills.
Compatible with hybrid drive systems
The new 8-speed automatic transmission is also ideally designed for hybridizing the driveline: ZF will be able to offer both a mild hybrid with crankshaft starter generator and a full hybrid as a parallel hybrid on the basis of the new 8-speed automatic transmission. This will allow all familiar hybrid functions to be implemented in conjunction with the new 8HP. Up to 25% fuel savings can be expected from the full hybrid version in urban-cycle traffic.
With two series the 9HP covers the torque range from 200 to 480 kNm. Because of its modular system the basic transmission can be added on demand. Thus it is possible to implement different starting elements, hybrid- and all-wheel applications in front-transverse passenger cars on a cost-efficient way, even in tight installation spaces.
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