Comments on: General Motors and Renault: another bad idea http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/07/05/general-motors-and-renault-another-bad-idea/ Chrysler, car, and other discussions by Allpar contributors Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:37:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Dave http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/07/05/general-motors-and-renault-another-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1584 Dave Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:01:47 +0000 http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/07/05/general-motors-and-renault-another-bad-idea/#comment-1584 Too many brands for people to keep track of, and I don't think we can really go back to the simplistic "increasing size and luxury" model. For example, does BMW make luxury or performance cars? How is Pontiac different from Buick? Infiniti currenly makes a car above Cadillac's best (Q45) as well as one below Caddy's lowest. I don't see them giving up the Q easily. Really, GM is big enough. They are the world's largest automaker. To stay that way they don't need to waste their time on digesting another company. they need to focus on what MADE them the world's largest automaker. The leadership can't divert their attention from the all-important task of getting everyone's nose to the grindstone (to grind their metal better, not their noses, by the way) and streamlining/modernizing the behemoth. Too many brands for people to keep track of, and I don’t think we can really go back to the simplistic “increasing size and luxury” model. For example, does BMW make luxury or performance cars? How is Pontiac different from Buick? Infiniti currenly makes a car above Cadillac’s best (Q45) as well as one below Caddy’s lowest. I don’t see them giving up the Q easily.

Really, GM is big enough. They are the world’s largest automaker. To stay that way they don’t need to waste their time on digesting another company. they need to focus on what MADE them the world’s largest automaker. The leadership can’t divert their attention from the all-important task of getting everyone’s nose to the grindstone (to grind their metal better, not their noses, by the way) and streamlining/modernizing the behemoth.

]]> By: Stéphane Dumas http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/07/05/general-motors-and-renault-another-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1582 Stéphane Dumas Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:12:51 +0000 http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/07/05/general-motors-and-renault-another-bad-idea/#comment-1582 in my idea of modern "Sloanism", I forgotted to mention Infiniti and Nissan. I taugh about how it could be positionned, a) the 1st way is letting Cadillac going more upscale against Maybach, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, letting the void for Infiniti. or b) Infiniti could be positionned below Cadillac current position and taking the role of "Junior Companion", a role a bit similar to what LaSalle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaSalle did from 1927 to 1940 as a companion of Cadillac , Infiniti will be positionned to sold only RWD vehicules (with optionnal AWD/4WD system) while Saab will stay in FWD territory. Then there Nissan who's more difficult to position. Here what I think of modern sloanism for some markets from entry-level to "high-top upper level" 1)Europe -Chevrolet -Renault -Nissan -Opel -Saab (FWD only)/Infiniti (RWD only) -Cadillac -GMC Trucks 2)North America (US and Canada) -Chevrolet -Pontiac -Saturn -Nissan -Buick -Saab (FWD)/Infiniti (RWD) -Cadillac 3)Latin America (Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Columbia, Venezuela, Costa Rica,...) -Chevrolet -Nissan -Renault -Saab/Infiniti -Cadillac I guess Oceania (Australia-New Zealand), Southeast Asia, India, Africa and the Middle-East will have the same sloanism structure as Latin America in my idea of modern “Sloanism”, I forgotted to mention Infiniti and Nissan. I taugh about how it could be positionned, a) the 1st way is letting Cadillac going more upscale against Maybach, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, letting the void for Infiniti. or b) Infiniti could be positionned below Cadillac current position and taking the role of “Junior Companion”, a role a bit similar to what LaSalle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaSalle did from 1927 to 1940 as a companion of Cadillac , Infiniti will be positionned to sold only RWD vehicules (with optionnal AWD/4WD system) while Saab will stay in FWD territory. Then there Nissan who’s more difficult to position.

Here what I think of modern sloanism for some markets from entry-level to “high-top upper level”
1)Europe
-Chevrolet
-Renault
-Nissan
-Opel
-Saab (FWD only)/Infiniti (RWD only)
-Cadillac
-GMC Trucks

2)North America (US and Canada)
-Chevrolet
-Pontiac
-Saturn
-Nissan
-Buick
-Saab (FWD)/Infiniti (RWD)
-Cadillac

3)Latin America (Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Columbia, Venezuela, Costa Rica,…)
-Chevrolet
-Nissan
-Renault
-Saab/Infiniti
-Cadillac

I guess Oceania (Australia-New Zealand), Southeast Asia, India, Africa and the Middle-East will have the same sloanism structure as Latin America

]]> By: Stéphane Dumas http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/07/05/general-motors-and-renault-another-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1433 Stéphane Dumas Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:43:07 +0000 http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2006/07/05/general-motors-and-renault-another-bad-idea/#comment-1433 Maybe it might be the time to open in the weblog, the following subject, "Ford and Renault, better idea then GM and Renault?" ;-) there lots of talks about it at http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36105 http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showforum=45 (I mistyped the url of http://www.cheersandgears.com sorry for the inconvience ^^;) Maybe it might be the time to open in the weblog, the following subject, “Ford and Renault, better idea then GM and Renault?” ;-)
there lots of talks about it at
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36105
http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showforum=45 (I mistyped the url of http://www.cheersandgears.com sorry for the inconvience ^^;)

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