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		<title>By: Mopar 4ever</title>
		<link>http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/01/04/canadian-2006-auto-sales-wrap-up/comment-page-1/#comment-7078</link>
		<dc:creator>Mopar 4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Dayman:

that is why people and marketing created this &quot;perfection halo&quot; among japanese brands, they hold up and look greate for about 3-5 years, and after they gave them away (traded them in) the post owners struggle more like they would do with used mopar`s, im not talking about reliability, treate good a mopar and last for decades, im talking weare-off parts like brake-pads or rubber-isolators, hard to find and at high prices, most Toyota Owners are not aware of that cuz they dont keep their cars for long, ironicly in the 80&#039;s American Cars were liveing up by their good fame from previous decades, now the japanese cars do the same, the real Toyota Work Horses, are the old trucks 80&#039;s early 90&#039;s, or old corollas, take a late 90&#039;s 4runner, damn that is a troublesome engine, and im talking by experience.

The most important thing that DCX most recognize is that the quality of their vehicles is important to improve, but improveing the way they treat US is much more important, i bet we wouldn`t mind if our car brakes down if the dealership or manufacturer acted respectfully and FAST, not like we are trying to cheat on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Dayman:</p>
<p>that is why people and marketing created this &#8220;perfection halo&#8221; among japanese brands, they hold up and look greate for about 3-5 years, and after they gave them away (traded them in) the post owners struggle more like they would do with used mopar`s, im not talking about reliability, treate good a mopar and last for decades, im talking weare-off parts like brake-pads or rubber-isolators, hard to find and at high prices, most Toyota Owners are not aware of that cuz they dont keep their cars for long, ironicly in the 80&#8242;s American Cars were liveing up by their good fame from previous decades, now the japanese cars do the same, the real Toyota Work Horses, are the old trucks 80&#8242;s early 90&#8242;s, or old corollas, take a late 90&#8242;s 4runner, damn that is a troublesome engine, and im talking by experience.</p>
<p>The most important thing that DCX most recognize is that the quality of their vehicles is important to improve, but improveing the way they treat US is much more important, i bet we wouldn`t mind if our car brakes down if the dealership or manufacturer acted respectfully and FAST, not like we are trying to cheat on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion : Find the TYPE of car you want, go test all the different models from the different vendors and just get what YOU want.  Reliability is only as good as how you treat and maintain your vehicle.  I have a 1996 Chrysler Intrepid with over 410,000km on it... a car known for &#039;&#039;unreliable&#039;&#039; transmissions.  No one believes me when I tell them it is the original.  Other than normal, common-sense maintanence, this car is not a burden to me - and my only hesitation in getting another one would be I don&#039;t know how the last owner treated the car.  Also, you ever notice how the people that boast most about reliability are the same people who lease and trade their cars in every 2-3years?  In Canada most lease&#039;s are 2-4 years, with no more than 20,000km / year... whats that, just under 12,500 miles?  Should ANY car have major, deal-breaking issues 36,000 miles in?  Also, if a car isn&#039;t a sports car, or a sporty car, or a mega-buck luxo car, the good folks at Car and Driver, Road &amp; Track and MotorTrend think its garbage anyway.... how do you compete with that?  Caliber, ok so its pokey COMPARED to its competition.  But maybe the best buyer for it is someone who needs utility closer to a Nitro/Lib/Escape/Tribute etc etc without the cost, both in purchase and fuel... I think we&#039;ve just gotten to the point where we are so selfish and anything less than excellence is trash and unacceptable.

It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t like the Civic or the Corolla, the Accord or the Camary... I just don&#039;t need everything I drive to be a race car... and I certainly don&#039;t need to pay rediculous part costs WHEN I have to repair them... 

Last point, and maybe its just a Canadian thing... but why is that something simple like an alternator, a coil pack, a control arm or heaven forbid a wiper-arm NEVER available for my sisters 2001 Civic.. they&#039;re always back ordered, and ALWAYS overpriced when they do come in.  I guess thats the cost of quality... oh wait its 6years old.  Is that regular maintanence creeping up on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion : Find the TYPE of car you want, go test all the different models from the different vendors and just get what YOU want.  Reliability is only as good as how you treat and maintain your vehicle.  I have a 1996 Chrysler <a href="http://www.allpar.com/model/intrepid.html" >Intrepid</a> with over 410,000km on it&#8230; a car known for &#8221;unreliable&#8221; transmissions.  No one believes me when I tell them it is the original.  Other than normal, common-sense maintanence, this car is not a burden to me &#8211; and my only hesitation in getting another one would be I don&#8217;t know how the last owner treated the car.  Also, you ever notice how the people that boast most about reliability are the same people who lease and trade their cars in every 2-3years?  In Canada most lease&#8217;s are 2-4 years, with no more than 20,000km / year&#8230; whats that, just under 12,500 miles?  Should ANY car have major, deal-breaking issues 36,000 miles in?  Also, if a car isn&#8217;t a sports car, or a sporty car, or a mega-buck luxo car, the good folks at Car and Driver, Road &amp; Track and MotorTrend think its garbage anyway&#8230;. how do you compete with that?  <a href="http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/caliber.html" >Caliber</a>, ok so its pokey COMPARED to its competition.  But maybe the best buyer for it is someone who needs utility closer to a <a href="http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/dodge/nitro.html" >Nitro</a>/Lib/Escape/Tribute etc etc without the cost, both in purchase and fuel&#8230; I think we&#8217;ve just gotten to the point where we are so selfish and anything less than excellence is trash and unacceptable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t like the Civic or the Corolla, the Accord or the Camary&#8230; I just don&#8217;t need everything I drive to be a race car&#8230; and I certainly don&#8217;t need to pay rediculous part costs WHEN I have to repair them&#8230; </p>
<p>Last point, and maybe its just a Canadian thing&#8230; but why is that something simple like an alternator, a coil pack, a control arm or heaven forbid a wiper-arm NEVER available for my sisters 2001 Civic.. they&#8217;re always back ordered, and ALWAYS overpriced when they do come in.  I guess thats the cost of quality&#8230; oh wait its 6years old.  Is that regular maintanence creeping up on it?
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the DR Z article, I agree with most of it.  It&#039;s kind of funny to me,(the part about chrysler corporation going publc as say, American Motors)  If you think about it,  What I see With Bob Lutz over at GM, Is GM starting to look  alot more like Chrysler Corporation then DCX  looking like Chrysler Corporation ! If he ever takes over the reigns totally you can get your  Chevy version of a PT Cruiser, Your Chevy version of a neon , your chevy version of a Charger/Challenger, , the chevy version of a caravan/voyager. It looks like he can use 10 year old chrysler concepts, and do a pretty good job of selling them. 
Consider the rejected concepts of late: M-80, Hornet, ME412, Firepower, Razor, Venom (Well the Solstice kind of looks like the Venom)
Say what if we tell all of our competitors, what we are going to build, advertise it with all the spec&#039;s  and then wait till they build thier copy of, what we said we are going to do, see how it fares in the market place, and if it does well, then maybe we will actually, really build it! Gentleman we have the technology!  Lets show it off to the world, Then wait for the brains in Germany to decide, well maybe discuss it, well table it for now to be discussed later, um well lets take another look an that! Say That Mazda CX7 thingy  reminds me of that SRT4 concept we had, what did we ever do with that?  The other day  I saw an FJ cruiser, kinda reminded me of that Kahunna thingy we were going to build,
 Say did we ever get that Challenger concept thing going?  Oh yes it will be out soon With our newest diesel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the DR Z article, I agree with most of it.  It&#8217;s kind of funny to me,(the part about chrysler corporation going publc as say, American Motors)  If you think about it,  What I see With Bob Lutz over at GM, Is GM starting to look  alot more like Chrysler Corporation then DCX  looking like Chrysler Corporation ! If he ever takes over the reigns totally you can get your  Chevy version of a <a href="http://www.ptcruizer.com/" target='_blank'>PT Cruiser</a>, Your Chevy version of a <a href="http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon.html" >neon</a> , your chevy version of a <a href="http://www.allpar.com/model/charger.html" >Charger</a>/<a href="http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html" >Challenger</a>, , the chevy version of a <a href="http://www.allpar.com/model/m/minivans.html" >caravan</a>/<a href="http://www.allpar.com/model/m/minivans.html" >voyager</a>. It looks like he can use 10 year old chrysler concepts, and do a pretty good job of selling them.<br />
Consider the rejected concepts of late: M-80, Hornet, ME412, Firepower, Razor, Venom (Well the Solstice kind of looks like the Venom)<br />
Say what if we tell all of our competitors, what we are going to build, advertise it with all the spec&#8217;s  and then wait till they build thier copy of, what we said we are going to do, see how it fares in the market place, and if it does well, then maybe we will actually, really build it! Gentleman we have the technology!  Lets show it off to the world, Then wait for the brains in Germany to decide, well maybe discuss it, well table it for now to be discussed later, um well lets take another look an that! Say That Mazda CX7 thingy  reminds me of that <a href="http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/caliber-srt4.html" >SRT4</a> concept we had, what did we ever do with that?  The other day  I saw an FJ cruiser, kinda reminded me of that Kahunna thingy we were going to build,<br />
 Say did we ever get that <a href="http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html" >Challenger</a> concept thing going?  Oh yes it will be out soon With our newest diesel!</p>
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