Comments on: Driving in Detroit and Ann Arbor http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/ Chrysler, car, and other discussions by Allpar contributors Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:16:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Dave http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-71779 Dave Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:58:06 +0000 http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/#comment-71779 Thanks. I remember the right on red - and in my home-town back then, they simply put up No Turn on Red signs at EVERY SINGLE INTERSECTION as a bone-headed show of independence. As for bicyclists, I understand your frustration, but consider that were it not for overbearing and self-centered cyclists, you would have an equal number of overbearing and self-centered drivers! I was happily amazed at the number of bicyclists in Seattle and Portland and Vancouver, though not with their attitude (I remember a bus jerking to a panic stop as a cyclist breezed right in front - not unlike Route 80 Honda and (especially) Volkswagen drivers and their tendency to swerve in front of long-haul freight carriers, and then slam on their brakes to hear the wheels hop.) Thanks. I remember the right on red - and in my home-town back then, they simply put up No Turn on Red signs at EVERY SINGLE INTERSECTION as a bone-headed show of independence.

As for bicyclists, I understand your frustration, but consider that were it not for overbearing and self-centered cyclists, you would have an equal number of overbearing and self-centered drivers! I was happily amazed at the number of bicyclists in Seattle and Portland and Vancouver, though not with their attitude (I remember a bus jerking to a panic stop as a cyclist breezed right in front - not unlike Route 80 Honda and (especially) Volkswagen drivers and their tendency to swerve in front of long-haul freight carriers, and then slam on their brakes to hear the wheels hop.)

]]> By: Bob_Sheaves http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-71776 Bob_Sheaves Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:56:11 +0000 http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/#comment-71776 LOL.... I had to reread this one Dave. Excellent reporting, as always. FYI, the "right turn on red" grew out of the 1970's first gas crisis. It was a way of saving fuel (you would not have to sit and idle while waiting for the light to change. There is also left on red situations also.) that is forgotten today-especially in Portland, OR...home of the overbearing and self centered bicyclist. Best as always, Bob LOL….

I had to reread this one Dave. Excellent reporting, as always. FYI, the “right turn on red” grew out of the 1970’s first gas crisis. It was a way of saving fuel (you would not have to sit and idle while waiting for the light to change. There is also left on red situations also.) that is forgotten today-especially in Portland, OR…home of the overbearing and self centered bicyclist.

Best as always,

Bob

]]> By: Dave http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-63773 Dave Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:00:59 +0000 http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/#comment-63773 Yes, but they're still in flyover country, as you put it, aren't they? Or are we now going to say that "coasties" are "those who live in the Northeast, West Coast, and any major city in between"? Yes, but they’re still in flyover country, as you put it, aren’t they? Or are we now going to say that “coasties” are “those who live in the Northeast, West Coast, and any major city in between”?

]]> By: Martin http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-63772 Martin Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:11:02 +0000 http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2007/11/12/driving-in-detroit-and-ann-arbor/#comment-63772 You're comparing apples to oranges. Wausau is strictly small town compared to Detroit and Chicago. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Wausau is strictly small town compared to Detroit and Chicago.

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