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	<title>Comments on: What happened to the November 4-5 announcement?</title>
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		<title>By: John_Hagen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Common sense prevents any US builder from entertaining thoughts of buying anything for the next few years. And Chrysler certainly has no use for Humber, nor does anyone else for that matter. The military HumVees (and the civilian version of same) are still built and owned by AM General. GM acts as their civilian sales agents but only owns/manufacturers the H-2&#039;s &amp; H-3&#039;s. Ergo GM can sell only the H-2 and H-3 lines and I haven’t a clue as to who would want them. Talk about something that should never have been put into production.

Saab isn’t much better and is another marque in danger of disappearing. There is little left of the image Saab enjoyed from the seventies through the nineties. Their sale to GM diluted their identity into the maze of GM modeldom. When GM first put the Malibu nameplate on Saab’s bread and butter sedan they saved the Malibu and began evolving the Saab into a part of the Malibu line. Maybe back in Sweden a Scandinavian angel could rescue the Saab nameplate if the Swede&#039;s care to retain ownership of any portion of their automobile industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common sense prevents any US builder from entertaining thoughts of buying anything for the next few years. And Chrysler certainly has no use for Humber, nor does anyone else for that matter. The military HumVees (and the civilian version of same) are still built and owned by AM General. GM acts as their civilian sales agents but only owns/manufacturers the H-2&#8242;s &amp; H-3&#8242;s. Ergo GM can sell only the H-2 and H-3 lines and I haven’t a clue as to who would want them. Talk about something that should never have been put into production.</p>
<p>Saab isn’t much better and is another marque in danger of disappearing. There is little left of the image Saab enjoyed from the seventies through the nineties. Their sale to GM diluted their identity into the maze of GM modeldom. When GM first put the Malibu nameplate on Saab’s bread and butter sedan they saved the Malibu and began evolving the Saab into a part of the Malibu line. Maybe back in Sweden a Scandinavian angel could rescue the Saab nameplate if the Swede&#8217;s care to retain ownership of any portion of their automobile industry.</p>
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		<title>By: mprbrce</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My speculation. Cereberus wanted the rest of GMAC, Chrysler wants Hummer and Saab. GM wants a Minivan. GM was asking Chrysler to build their Minivan for say 100M or so. And Cereberus was going to purchase Hummer and.or Saab and GMAC. Sounds crazy doesn&#039;t it? Well think about it, when GM announced the posibility of a sale of Hummer in October (We in Northern Indiana have known for some time about the possiable sale June or so) and then these &quot;ChryslerMotors&quot; rumors sprung up. Sounds fishy. The people in the talks that snitched were GM people. Making it seem like GM was buying Chrysler so they could get Chrysler/Cereberus to pay more for Hummer and or Saab.

Chrysler needs Hummer for the government to take them serious as a Military supplier, and they could use Saab to go upmarket.

Sounds crazy? Yeah, when I told people that gas was gonna crash around the time of the election and that Indiana was gonna go blue for the first time in 44 years, I got that look that I had 3 heads (no pun intended).

People said that common sense said that Gm was going to buy Chrysler, not the other way around. Haha, now I laugh in their face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My speculation. Cereberus wanted the rest of GMAC, Chrysler wants Hummer and Saab. GM wants a Minivan. GM was asking Chrysler to build their Minivan for say 100M or so. And Cereberus was going to purchase Hummer and.or Saab and GMAC. Sounds crazy doesn&#8217;t it? Well think about it, when GM announced the posibility of a sale of Hummer in October (We in Northern Indiana have known for some time about the possiable sale June or so) and then these &#8220;ChryslerMotors&#8221; rumors sprung up. Sounds fishy. The people in the talks that snitched were GM people. Making it seem like GM was buying Chrysler so they could get Chrysler/Cereberus to pay more for Hummer and or Saab.</p>
<p>Chrysler needs Hummer for the government to take them serious as a Military supplier, and they could use Saab to go upmarket.</p>
<p>Sounds crazy? Yeah, when I told people that gas was gonna crash around the time of the election and that Indiana was gonna go blue for the first time in 44 years, I got that look that I had 3 heads (no pun intended).</p>
<p>People said that common sense said that Gm was going to buy Chrysler, not the other way around. Haha, now I laugh in their face.</p>
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		<title>By: John_Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John_Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is in the word “acquisition” and why did GM use it instead of “merger” in their big Friday announcement? And what exactly was the “major announcement”?

I am becoming more convinced that the &quot;major announcement&quot; was that GM had no desire to attempt any acquisition of Chrysler or anyone else. Their announcement indicated that the people at GM that are truly interested in the survival of GM and the American automobile industry knew there was nothing to gain and much to lose by buying Chrysler but instead on government support along with continued internal changes, which they will announce more about later.

It indicated that while there was a deal, it was being pushed by certain factions within GM enrich that stood to increase their personal fortunes (which were likely heavily invested into Cerberus).

The carefully worded statements regarding the GM &quot;acquisition&quot; of Chrysler were designed to make it clear to the concerned owners (stock holders) of GM that their management and BOD were not so uniformed as to the background mechanizations of Cerberus as one may think.

Cerberus constantly pounded the idea of a &quot;merger&quot; to help GM and the US auto industry weather the current economic storm into the heads of an unsympathetic (auto manufacturer-wise) America in order to cover their true desire to dump and run, destroying Chrysler and bleeding GM in the process. Of course this would just have been &quot;collateral damage&quot; to the dumping but probably necessary for Cerberus to come out ahead. There is big money in Cerberus, some of which own politicians who may be necessary to help GM survive. Ergo GM had to be very careful of whose toes they were about to step on.

Notice how fast things started to happen as soon as we all knew the Democrats were in charge and the Bush machine was truly out. No time was wasted in getting to the table with the movers and shakers of the Democratic party (last Thursday) followed the next one day by announcing GM’s commitment to preserving themselves along with Ford and maybe even Chrysler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is in the word “acquisition” and why did GM use it instead of “merger” in their big Friday announcement? And what exactly was the “major announcement”?</p>
<p>I am becoming more convinced that the &#8220;major announcement&#8221; was that GM had no desire to attempt any acquisition of Chrysler or anyone else. Their announcement indicated that the people at GM that are truly interested in the survival of GM and the American automobile industry knew there was nothing to gain and much to lose by buying Chrysler but instead on government support along with continued internal changes, which they will announce more about later.</p>
<p>It indicated that while there was a deal, it was being pushed by certain factions within GM enrich that stood to increase their personal fortunes (which were likely heavily invested into Cerberus).</p>
<p>The carefully worded statements regarding the GM &#8220;acquisition&#8221; of Chrysler were designed to make it clear to the concerned owners (stock holders) of GM that their management and BOD were not so uniformed as to the background mechanizations of Cerberus as one may think.</p>
<p>Cerberus constantly pounded the idea of a &#8220;merger&#8221; to help GM and the US auto industry weather the current economic storm into the heads of an unsympathetic (auto manufacturer-wise) America in order to cover their true desire to dump and run, destroying Chrysler and bleeding GM in the process. Of course this would just have been &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; to the dumping but probably necessary for Cerberus to come out ahead. There is big money in Cerberus, some of which own politicians who may be necessary to help GM survive. Ergo GM had to be very careful of whose toes they were about to step on.</p>
<p>Notice how fast things started to happen as soon as we all knew the Democrats were in charge and the Bush machine was truly out. No time was wasted in getting to the table with the movers and shakers of the Democratic party (last Thursday) followed the next one day by announcing GM’s commitment to preserving themselves along with Ford and maybe even Chrysler.</p>
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