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Archive for the 'Plymouth' Category

Interesting theory: Daimler decided Dodge death

This was a comment from “Patfromigh” which I found interesting enough to make into its own entry. Keep in mind, I did NOT write it and am not necessarily saying I believe it. But it IS interesting.

Was Cerberus just a middleman to get what Daimler really wanted in the first place?

Remember the Valentines Day Massacre? GM wanted Chrysler then. Cerberus had completed the purchase of half of GMAC. So they were in contact with GM also.

If Daimler simply sold Chrysler to GM it risked a public outcry. The pundits who praised Daimler for “saving” Chrysler a decade ago now acknowledge that Chrysler was bled to death by Mercedes’ thievery. Unfortunately it is mentioned in their eulogies for the American auto industry and Chrysler in particular.

If we look at the activities under Daimler’s stewardship of Chrysler we find evidence for a coverup. Shortly after Mitsubishi was kicked to the side of the road, serious small car development was stopped. Talks were started with Chery and other Chinese manufactures. Jeep engineering was turned into a front man for the Mercedes SUV operations in Alabama. The resulting Jeep and Dodge products, the Grand Cherokee, Liberty and Nitro started tanking in the marketplace before fuel prices took off like a rocket. Dodge trucks became more of a consumer toy in the showrooms while Daimler directed the engineering resources into soon to be gone Sterling.

Somewhere in all this has to be the realization that Plymouth customers were not coming back. My guess is that sometime in 2006 with the Dollar’s slide the celebrated LX sedans started getting pricey to build. The restyled Rams lost some of their edge and the styling on other vehicles exterior and interior was careless. No real money was put into updating the PT Cruiser. The Neon went away and the much loved midsized cars were going away. The platform which was used in the replacement for all these products was a hack job. Final development was again left to the customer.

In 2006, anyone who was paying attention could see the shift in the market. SUV sales had peaked. Truck sales looked OK, but crossover sales masked the consumer shift toward smaller vehicles.

Here comes General Motors. They will help with the disposal of the body. A dead Chrysler will put fear in the ranks of the UAW. The watchdogs at the Justice Department and SEC were neutered by the current regime in Washington, but the union would raise hell. The media would amplify any hell the UAW elevated.

When the odd bidding process began and Cerberus “won” [a buyout offer from Kerkorian involving employee ownership was not even considered], immediately there were promises: “we won’t strip and flip Chrysler” and “we are in it for the long run.” Now the body is beginning to smell. GM was willing to bury it before. The guilty parties apparently didn’t see the financial collapse coming [though Chrysler's own economists did]. The party insiders working for Cerberus certainly didn’t see an overnight shift in voter concerns from defense to the economy. GM is being blackmailed to finish the dirty deed before the new sheriff arrives in town. It was supposed to be quick and easy. There is collusion and a conspiracy to cover it up.

Sorting it out

We know there is a replacement for the Grand Cherokee coming to the North Jefferson plant, based on Tom LaSorda’s statements. This should really be no surprise. It is planned to be lighter than the current model, also no surprise, given gas mileage issues and the reason why the current model is as heavy as it is (rumor has it the Mercedes people demanded changes based on their own needs). This vehicle will most likely end up being worked over and produced as a Mercedes, as the current one is.

Most likely some other vehicle will be built with it á la Nitro/Liberty. Prime candidates are the Aspen and/or the Commander. Maybe the Durango… it all depends how they want to play it. If the Grand Cherokee is the luxury version, a companion Dodge would make more sense than a companion Chrysler. On the other hand the Commander could be the true-luxury version, and the Grand Cherokee the sortakinda Oldsmobile version. They could also make a “lifestyle Dakota” from this.

Small cars… are a big open question. I suspect Chrysler has numerous paths under way and is trying to figure out which will work. There are two pacts in China, one with Chery and one with Great Wall, which might come to nothing or be the next small Chrysler, replacing the Horizon. There is the possibility of using the Fiat 500 chassis, and there is the thought that maybe engineers from Chrysler have been working on their own A-class car and that no matter who builds it, it is still coming from the plans that started to be drawn up last year or the year before. And then there’s the B-car, coming from the future Nissan Cube… and to confuse matters, the Nissan Versa spinoff to replace the Hyundai Atoz.

D-class (Sebring/Avenger) cars are coming, and I believe that they will be sourced from Chrysler, especially since they seem to be planning a whole series of vehicles at long last (the same plans were apparently made for numerous other projects). They’d want to keep control in-house if they were making sedans, coupes, hatchbacks, minivans, and crossovers all from the same source.

Hanging over all these future projects is the question of model cuts. It would not be insane to think that maybe the Durango and Aspen and Nitro will all be allowed to die. The Liberty may not even be needed, if the Grand Cherokee replacement can be built in two varieties – think Cherokee and Grand Cherokee. The old Jeep used to do things like that. I don’t know if the Liberty has a real following, but I doubt the Nitro does.

By the way, I’d appreciate it if your comments focused on what is likely to happen, not what you’d like to happen. You know my opinion, but here it is again:

Dodge – muscle cars (Challenger/Charger), Ram, Dakota, Caravan (sporty suspension tuning).
Chrysler – 300C, extended-wheelbase 300C (“New Yorker”), true-luxury T&C.
Plymouth – small crossover (“PT Cruiser”?), small cars, low-end, V6-only big car.

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