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2019 charger refresh?

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by ddeeaa, Nov 26, 2017.

  1. oh2o

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    You have... no worries... :).
     
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  2. EVOL

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    Lord have mercy I hope you are right - that thing was ridiculous looking and would appeal to ZERO current Challenger owners
     
  3. valiant67

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    Probably still black or dark gray. It is sad.
     
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  5. jimboy

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    I'm not sure why so many people here want to see the end of the LX/LA/LD, platform. I personally think it has been outstanding for Chrysler products, and with some work could last another decade. There is no reason that other cars/crossovers could be worked onto Giorgio, thus recouping investment dollars, but I see no reason why the two architectures can't co-exist within FCA, at least until the utility of LX has been fully utilized.
     
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    Because years 2020 and 2021 are the ones when some Italian products on Giorgio will come out. They are similar in size to current Chrysler 'L' cars. So sharing would be good thing for company. Durango and Grand Cherokee are also involved in this story.
     
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  8. unverferth

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    Boy that's good to hear, oh2o. Just let's hope the Challenger will evolve and keep it's current appeal.
     
  9. LeeRyder

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    Looks like the guilia
     
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    It's not "Chrysler and Dodge". it's FCA. Where does this misconception that the brands are separate entities in the group comes from?
     
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    Mostly because it was previously reported that Chrysler and Dodge would receive their own models to help amortize the platform. So maybe the better way of putting it is how does FCA allow a disproportionate amount of money to be spent for Alfa without utilizing Chrysler and Dodge? I admit, the switch in cost structures from top hat platforms to modified architectures still perplexes me some. How the engineering cost is allocated is my assumption on what gives the new process an advantage over flex. Nevertheless, I trust the experts on here that say it is a positive step forward. We will see the proof when more new product finally arrives.
     
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    "We have... no idea... ;)"
     
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    Because they are marketed that way?

    If they removed the alfa badges off a giulia and replaced them with fiat badges would would they be able to charge the same price even though it is the same car?
     
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    The money to pay off current debts related to the Giorgio platform investment come from Jeep/Dodge profits. The vast majority of it.

    To which you'll respond - well Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep would have died without Fiat. The functional reality is that it has been more of a stewardship than financial bailout. What equity did FCA put up to purchase Chrysler? FCA essentially took out equity from the reorganized structure, and borrowed against it to the full enterprise value of what it was worth less the pension obligations/debt it shed in bankruptcy.

    Ford/GM would have been happy to have soaked up the CDJ buyers.
     
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    The money came from FCA profits related to selling highly profitable Ram and Jeep models.
     
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    Me. I don't care what they're called now days! Dodge and Chrysler will and always be separate from Fiat in my book! It seems that Chrysler is once again the cash cow in helping Alfa to get back to F1? Ain't doing it with their own money, They simply couldn't afford it yet dodge is lucky to compete in any major motor sport that will enhance Mother mopars image.

    I Apologize in advance for my rant:)
     
  17. tomaz

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    uh.... dodge has the trans am racing team and Mopar has NHRA.. also Alfa Romeo NAME is going back on F1 Cars. Not the brand as a whole.
     
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    And they have spent years in NASCAR, which many people here regard as a complete waste of money, myself included, yet we don't whine about the fact that it is just a spec series without any real Dodge cars in it at all. It's an advertising thing, same as with Alfa, get your name, and a few wins, before the public eye, hopefully that translates into sales. And if Ferrari pulls out of F-1 as threatened, then FCA will still have some skin in the game. Good Planning and Marketing , IMO.
     
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    Ferrari. Once again. Ferrari. Basically Alfa Romeo F1 program will be financed by Ferrari.
     
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  20. con383

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    Ok. So can anyone shead some light on the cost to be in f1? Somehow I doubt Ferrari is earning enough millions it takes to be competitive without some financial assisance from fca
     

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