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Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Dave Z, Dec 5, 2017.
Sorry...sorry...I keep saying Escort when I mean to say Escape, my error.
No worries. I've never looked at the trunk of an Escort, so wasn't sure. Knew they made a hatchback and wagon version of it tho.
Escape was what my parents got when Cherokee didn’t have enough cargo capacity due to the steeply sloped rear window. It’s been good so far.
I would say it is not so much the slope of the rear window has the incredibly high floor on Jeeps. That may be for ground clearance/angles, but it sure restricts the amount of usable space. The slope of the rear window only affects space once you pack above the window line. For most people, that is not very often. Look at the huge space in the back of the Honda CR-V. It is because the floor of the cargo area is so low. I am one of those drivers who doesn't really care about off roading. What I need is as much cargo space as possible. (A minivan is too big for my needs).
FCA put Chrysler into hibernation, Jeep has filled its shoes.
Jeep is the mass consumer brand, near lux, as well as offroader. Byproduct - creation of chrome tow hooks ! Yes, i'm still stuck on that.
As i said earlier things are blurry and getting worse. We are losing brand identities, exception Dodge.
I don't believe anyone is intentionally trying to kill brands. However. Having Jeep be everything to everyone, and the sedan market shrinking, hurts FCA NA across its portfolio IMO for the long game.
I actually believe for a time a lot of this was necessary, resources got prioritized and plants shuffled. However silliness is emerging in the absence of promised products. Chrome tow hooks is a great example, they have hit the creative wall to wring a last percentage of market space from the brand.
i don't care to hear the glass half full people say the product is coming. Its been said and it didn't. Its official when its official.
Let's hope Chrysler is awakened before Jeeps identity is blurred irreparably. Lets hope Chryslers new iteration has clear focus.
Creative wall??????? Have you seen the new JL? It pack so full of cool stuff its hard to count. And its hard to make a washed out claim when that is more true to the Jeep name.
Thanks - I didn't feel like typing that response AGAIN - appreciate you doing it for me and arguably more elegantly!
I think if they'd changed JL into, idunno, something more like the Renegade like some clay models suggested they considered, I think a lot of would-be wrangler buyers would've been sorta pissed that they 'broke' the wrangler styling. lol -- With Jeep, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. At least styling-wise. More off-road capability is always welcome, however. In any Jeep.
I am talking all the bit and parts. The way shocks are attached, the creativity in the tops, the way the fender liner is all ready to be modified, the way the doors attach, the way the wind shield folds down.... the is years full of thoughtful touches just for the Jeep Puriest it would take days just to find them all. The was no writers block at all.
The Cherokee is mid life refresh that they got more space in the back is wonderful... Adding up value options across the board is good business.
IIRC SM said many times they would not screw Wrangler up, it would stay true. IMO it is sacred.
I have been pleasantly surprised at what styling has been accepted. Cherokee is a very big departure. Aside from the polarizing light config. it was accepted. Yes there was moaning but it worked out.
2wd Jeeps increasing in #'s, long term impact will be interesting.
There were complaints about the Trailhawk being the only off-road worthy Cherokee. Now there are complaints that Jeep is trying to add some more off road equipment to another model.
See a pattern of perpetual complaining yet? Damned if they do, damned if they don’t is accurate.
It is Drew Brees fault... Wait wrong Forum.... It's SM he chromed the tow hooks himself.
I'll step up and applaud this effort to have a "sporty" (Trailhawk) off-road model, and a "classy" off-road model (Summit)
HOWEVER, I hope they don't differentiate them by anything other than appearances. We finally got a Trailhawk with all of the options of the Limited, and then they bring out the Summit.
Other than the rear headroom in the 200, that is what kept me away. I had to buy a 200C to get certain options, as they weren't on the 200S.