Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Mr.Source, Oct 13, 2019.
Wouldn't that require it first to shower better track times than the ZL1 1LE?
You honestly believe the Mustang GT500 was created to compete against the Challenger ACR. How is that?
The Mustang GT500 debuted in 1967.... there was no Challenger ACR back then, and there is currently no production Challenger ACR right now in 2019.
Keep the thread on point.
The Challenger ACR will be benchmarked against other American Club Racers.
The Original NEON ACR, and the Viper ACR.
There is no other production vehicle that can cross compete with a DODGE ACR Model.
This, especially if it kept the 5-seats, and has the optional seats delete
Ummmm....pretty sure we're talking about being cross-shopped and compared by car buyers. They compete in the same segment at about the same price point. They ARE competitors. I cross-shopped the "little brothers" back in 2015-2016. Having owned both a Challenger Scat Pack (briefly) and a GT350, I can tell you the Challenger handles like a pig in comparison (again, pre-widebody). The ACR will need to be a MASSIVE upgrade in handling and go on a serious diet to get close to the Shelby's handling advantage. The GT500 takes care of the power deficit to the HellCats when you look at power-to-weight. I'm really excited to see the battle play out on tracks, on the street, and in driveways!
DODGE/ SRT has never let us down with any other ACR Model.
Compare the Challenger ACR versus other ACR Models.
ACR's are designed/ produced in house at FCA, not by somebody else.
HA! I never said they built the GT500 to compete with the Challenger ACR, man. Seeing as the ACR doesn't exist, that would be difficult.
The GT500 is built to compete with real cars, like the ZL1. The alleged ACR would certainly aim to be faster than both of these cars as it (per the very sparse info in this thread) is supposed to come as a gutted out hardcore race car.
I think posting info about the new HALO, high horsepower and track focused MUSTANG, which is one of only 2 cars that directly compete with the Challenger is perfectly acceptable in this thread that is, frankly, devoid of any real information about the car.
Post some spy shots. Otherwise....what exactly are we talking about in here?
The entire second page of this thread is listing lap times from other cars, and speculating where there ACR will slot. I was simply pointing out a new car (direct competitor) they need to ensure they beat out.
Hard to cross compete with a car that currently doesn't exist, so we definitely agree.
Bingo. Completely baffled how a new track focused Mustang isn't relevant to the discussion of this car. It's not like we're discussing Taycan lap times.
The GT500 with the $18,500 Carbon Fiber Track package is Ford's Mustang ACR if you look what's included in that package.
The GT500 isnt really the Track Focus'ed Mustang.... Thats the GT350R.... The GT500 is just the most Powerful Mustang in General.
From MT of what is included in the Carbon Fiber Track package which they give the GT500 a "R" designation;
The stock 11.0 x 20-inch flow-formed aluminum alloy wheels at all 4 corners are replaced by 11.0 x 20-inch (front) and 11.5 x 20-inch (rear) exposed carbon-fiber wheels.
The base car's Michelin Pilot Sport 4S (305/30R20 front; 315/30R20 rear) summer tires are swapped out for streetable track tires, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 (305/30R20 front; 315/30R20 rear).
Weight savings 35 lbs. per corner along with the increased grip of the Sport Cup 2 tires.
The GT500R is fitted with adjustable strut top mounts. This means a real track rat can set up his car for different events or tracks.
Beefier springs mean a slight ride penalty but sharper steering response and better body control. They also lower the car by 15mm (0.6 inch).
Because of the lighter wheels and stronger springs, the magnetorheological shocks in the GT500R get a different "tune" with regard to compression and rebound characteristics.
The otherwise optional Recaro front seats are standard in the GT500R. These seats have belt pass-throughs that accommodate five-point harnesses.
Speaking of seats, who needs rear seats that add weight? The GT500R deletes them making it a two-seater.
The GT500R has a unique front fascia combining a large splitter down low and what would be the equivalent of "dive planes" on the leading corners.
The stock GT500 has a low flow-through composite rear wing, but the GT500R's manually adjustable carbon-fiber wing stands tall on uprights. It's literally pulled off of the GT4 race car.
In lieu of the base GT500's black plastic dashboard panel, the GT500R's is covered with exposed carbon fiber.
The combined effect of these changes transforms the demeanor of the GT500 from criminally loud, fast, fun, well-sorted, and highly predictable sports car—with more power than it sometimes knows what to do with—to a limited-production track-focused world-class supercar that excels and thrives because of that power.
We know SRT is up to the challenge...just note the bar is probably set pretty high with the GT500"R".
If they offer 2 engine packages....6.4 and Redeye, they can cover both the high end and offer a bargain track car too.
Not really. Carlos Lagos did a great comparison in his GT500 review. He said the GT350 is like the Porsche GT3, where the GT500 is like the GT2.
The GT3 is the enthusiast car, the GT2 is the destroyer of records.
Those are big words. Friend of mine has been owning cars like the previous GT500, Z/28 and GT350R. When he rented a 911 GT3 on Turo he could not believe how light the steering was. Both Ford Shelbys still have the engine over the front axle... Much more reliance on the front tires compared to mid-engine or rear engine cars. Of course, the Challenger has the same problem.
One thing the ACR HAS to have is a higher redline. The GT500 revs to like 7500rpm!
My C63 redline was 7200. The extra 1000rpm dials up the fun factor a ton. Would love to rev 800hp out to 7000.
The Redeye currently has a 6500rpm redline.
you need a major valvetrain, crankshaft and conrod upgrade to spin faster, which I don’t see them doing on the current engine and generation.
So few weeks after... Actually I knew what is coming while you've said that Alfa is the which gets all attention. Not to mentions your posts when you are at least implying that Alfa is stealing from US brands.
Now we have it official:
So clearly you have no insights.
Thank you and good night!
Dure you are right, I have no insights, Im ALWAYS WRONG.
Now Jeep smiling.
Good Fay Sir.
Right now, the not-an-ACR-prototype-that we-all-know-is-a-prototype is currently sub-3800 lbs. and 800+ HP with 325mm tires, and near Viper ACR levels of downforce. That is not to say that will be production spec, as far as I know, the goal is sub-4000 lbs curb weight, could end up being lighter.
The Chevy or Ford production car to challenge it simply doesn’t exist.
Got to love Mopar still being able to come up with some engineering miracles!
Not even ZL1-1LE or GT500-R?
ZL1 1LE is 650hp, same weight and by the sounds of it, less downforce and grip. Far better chassis though.