Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by Allpar News System, May 20, 2014.
Ok, let me attack this from another point.
What is the GenV Viper doing in the quarter?
Let me preemptively counter-attack: Have you noticed that Chrysler has said nothing about the 2015 Viper yet? Check out the Viper forums... a lot of guys seem to think that a horsepower boost is in the works for MY15.
Call me a doubting Thomas, but, I am gonna wait and see. I doubt a 4450lb car, with 275's,and 650-675 is going to run sub 11 out of the factory. I'd love it, it may happen, but I am placing my expectations a little more toward the 11.5 end of things.
It wouldnt suprise me, although if there is, it is being kept VERY quiet.
I was referring to the 13 and 14 MY cars though
Another shot of Ralph's HELLCAT from the CEMA show...
Y'know, I'm 99% convinced that I want mine in B5, but every time I see a black one I question that. Nice car.
I was assuming slicks (obviously) on the hellcat times.
I have heard that they have been putting in a TON of effort into the launch control on this car. IF they can get the launch control correct ( especially on the stick cars ), that will be a game changer.
And it depends on how sticky the 275's are. I doubt they are seeing those times with the 4 season radials, but the 3 season tires, possibly. I was always suprised at how well my 6.1 car stuck with the 4 season tires, but different order of power output for sure
I love the flat black hood!!!
Still in all I'd expect even a perfected launch control to slow a vehicle down due to limited traction (especially on a stick motor).
The rumoured numbers jive wt physics given adequate traction (ie slicks).
Guys, this car is not running 10.9-11.0 quarter mile times... It's just not, mid 11's sure, but not 10s. The MP4-12C which launches like a bat out of hell and has 600hp (obviously with quite a bit less weight) runs an 11.0 at 130ish mph.
Remember, the GT500 with 662hp runs an 11.5. Now the car is admittedly hard to launch, but expect quarter mile times on street tires to be very similar to that.
I really don't even understand how this is still up for debate. A "decent" launch in ZR1 Corvette will yield an ~11.0-11.2 1/4 with 345 series Michelin Pilot Sport Cups, arguably one of the best, and stickiest street tires in production. Really great launches will get you around 10.7-10.9.
Anyone who thinks even a 700 HP HellCat is running a 10.9 on those pizza-cutter 275s is going to be in for a RUDE awakening.
The only way a HellCat is going to run times like that is with ~750+ HP and some super sticky ultra wide 305+ tires at the minimum.
I think it's a given at this point they were using slicks.....
What "debate"? We have several separate unconfirmed reports of ETs in the low 11s/high 10s, with no details as to tires or tune or etc.
You can "debate" all you want, but the reports still exist, and they're still unconfirmed.
Even with slicks, you'd need the best launch ever recorded in history to get 4400 pounds down the quarter in 10.9 seconds with "just" ~650HP.
GT500s cam run low 11s with drag radials, and that's usually very hard to get. The HellCat has the same approximate power as a ZR1, but weighs nearly 1000 pounds more. It's not going to be running neck and neck with a ZR1. Don't care who you are.
638 hp? We don't know that. These preproduction cars could have 100 more.
How about instead of telling us that all these reports have to be wrong because of $irrelevant_comparison, you guys start thinking about what might be true if they aren't wrong?
...then you're looking at well in excess of 700HP at the crank, 750HP if not more.
Why put so much emphesis on the launch alone?
the Hellcat has 2 extra gears to help stay in the power band over a GT 500 or ZR-1.
The example being discussed is a manual trans variant (6 speed).
Depends on the actual terminal MPH which significantly influences HP. 1-3 mph at the reported weight can vary hp 50-75hp
Another Sublime base R/T, this one with optional '71 inspired R/T stripes.