Discussion in 'Vans' started by Allpar News System, Feb 14, 2013.
The 3.0 I-4 diesel is in ProMaster according to the press kit, it's also used by Mitsu-Fuso.
I finally got it: the 3.0 4 cylinder is a Fiat/Iveco JTD engine, not a VM product. Fiat apparently only uses it in Ducato now that Massif is out of production. Interesting!
The diesel half ton has been rumored for years. Glad to see it official.
Sorry, I went to work and wasn't able to comment between 6-7am.
I hope this makes truck of the year engine of the year.
I hope this sells so many they can not keep up with demand.
I hope in Europe this will be offered as a standard truck and chassis cab and maybe the VM 3.0L multijet II will be offered in the Ram 2500 & 3500 in Europe. With optional Cummins I-6 6.7L with the 3 ranges. 660lb-ft 800lb-ft & 5th wheel option 850lb-ft.
If the Sprinter 2.2Lcrd can be a 3500, there should be no problem with a Ram 3500 using the VM3.0Lcrd 8sp for most applications. Truck & Chassis cab.
May this be a beginning to Wrangler, Charger, 300 diesel. All using the 2 out put rating options. Lower model 188hp and upper model 235hp or if they want a 3rd option with the 240hp.
Lancia Thema has a mpg difference between it's lower model and higher model.
Thema 240 executive 235hp 406lb-ft 24.5 / 32.6 / 39.8 mpg USA, 9.6/7.2/5.9 L/100Km 0-60= 7.4sec
Thema 190 Gold 188hp 324lb-ft 24.7 / 33.1 / 41.2 mpg USA. 9.5 / 7.1 / 5.7 L/100/Km 0-60= 9.2 sec
Thema 3.6L 8sp. they show 16.9 / 25 / 35.1 mpg USA. 13.9 / 9.4 / 6.7 L/100Km 0-60= 7.3 sec
Chrysler 300 3.6L 8sp fuel.gov 19/23/31 Rental car shows 0-60= 6.7 sec.
Some people are getting 36mpg from the 300C
Ram 1500 reg cab 3.6L 8sp 4x2 17 city 25 highway 20 average.
Ram 1500 regular cab HFE 2WD, 3.6L V-6, 8-speed auto, 18/25/21.
Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x2 3.6L 8sp 17city 25 highway.
Looks like the Ram 1500 HFE beats out the Toyota tacoma 4sp auto but looses to the 5sp manual as for mpg.
As per motor trend the Jeep GC VM3.0Lcrd 8sp 21city 24-25 average 30 highway mpg 4x2 & 4x4 20/28mpg. 240hp 3600 rpm 420lb-ft 1800-2800rpm.
I expect the Ram 1500 reg cab 4x2 to match the Jeep Grand Cherokee.
I would definitely like to see the Ram 1500 get truck of the year with the diesel.
May our government buy allot of them for the forestry and other departments.
Nice to hear that it is finally out.
Got a question, what will happen to Cummin V6 that was supposed to be in development for Ram half-ton?
It's mainly used in the Iveco daily family actually with the 2.3 I-4 being the most popular diesel for the Ducato in Europe.
The 3.0 I-4 is a long standing offering on FIAT and Iveco trucks and I think it's very suitable for the ProMaster but not so much for the 1500. Simple reason: the I-4 was born and developed as a commercial engine whereas the VM was born to be used in cars as well. Entirely different types of engines with the V6 being much more silent and more rev-happy. The 1500 will be purchased by a lot of people that won't ever even put a sheet of plywood in the back.
It seems like the 3.0L I-4 won't have an EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation).
High Efficiency SCR system
FPT Indust. Euro VI Engines
I seem to remember awhile back hearing that Cummins was developing a light duty diesel for Nissan now... Though i could be making that up.
They were/are. The latest news I heard about it was: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/05/cummins-feds-developing-four-cylinder-diesel-for-nissan-titan.html
Hmm... i hadn't read that much about it, sounds impressive with pretty similar numbers to the 3.0L VM, but better fuel economy estimates.
I'm not holding my breath on that--but its great to hear they are finally moving forward with this. Now lets ramp up production so there will be plenty for the refreshed Wrangler in a few years!
IIRC that is a different beast from the v6. I thought it was an i4 design. OOPS should have read the link first.
Note that this is a "demonstration" project with DOE. Very similar to the Dodge/Cummins DOE project which developed the 4.2 V6 and 5.0 V8, neither of which made it to market. So while highly touted, any Nissan/Cummins diesel, is a ways from production.
I can't help but wonder how much more successful this truck would be if they'd went with the Cummins V6. Anyway, at least there's finally a diesel 1/2 ton pickup available. A lot of campers I've talked to over the years have been waiting on a diesel 1/2 ton. A lot of folks just don't feel the need for a 2500/3500 truck to pull their 9,000 lb or less 5th Wheel/Travel Trailer but don't like the fuel comsumption their getting with a gasser V8. Also, the gasser seems "strained" pulling a camper whereas a diesel will feel like it "wants" to pull something! By the way, Gale Banks has already been working on mods for the 3.0L VM diesel and he seems impressed with it's potential!
The Cummins Ram was, I'm told, ready for production. But with falling gas prices and a poor economy and gas mileage not a priority, they did not put the money into it (remember, Daimler and Cerberus only wanted to make a quick buck and strip assets and get out). I suspect as soon as Fiat took over, they knew they would use either an FPT or VM engine...
Make a diesel Express and I may go truck shopping again. :excited:
Whatever the reason, speculation about motive aside, the Cummins did not meet 2016 emission standards and the VM does.
Remember, the Cummins engine was first conceived in 2008 or earlier and because of the CA vs. EPA deal, in 2010, the 2012 and 2016 regs come down hard on diesels.additionally, Cummins and VM have worked very close on sharing diesel tech, the engines are very similar in philosophy, if not structurally.
As good as Cummins is, VM is no slouch.
What I can say, the programs cancellation was concurrent with Chrysler's bankruptcy. It had nothing to do with stripping assets and quick bucks, it had to do with CAFE, as it does today.The VM choice just makes sense given the in house connection. Cummins designed the v8 to meet T2-B5 emission standards and if that's not 2016 compliant, there was a plan to implement the proper measures at the proper time, it's all in the tuning and the aftertreatment, they have the talent.
I think the VM is the better option if fuel economy is the priority, the Cummins was detuned to meet the 440lbft requirement and would be better suited in commercial trucks that can handle more power.
FWIW the 5L was all new compared to the v6 v8 engines proposed in the early 00's.