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Article says Honda is the new manufacturer................

Discussion in 'Current Motorsports / Racing News' started by Fast Eddie, Oct 24, 2019.

  1. Beentherebefore

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    BOOOOoooooooo! I'll be watching to see those get beat just like I do the Current "Brand C" models.
     
  2. Beentherebefore

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    I'm assuming that Honda's "make sense" proposal means that they will not have to go through the major expense of designing an OHV V-8 just to race in Nascar.
     
  3. LouJC

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    Sure, they can just copy the "Toyota" which always looked like a copy of a Ford 5.8 liter. Why make it related to reality in any way? Honda belongs in Formula 1 not NASCAR in any way shape or form. And, truth be told, so does Toyota.
     
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  4. Tony K

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    Ummm...you forgot MG...twice. :D
     
  5. LouJC

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    You are extremely mixed up. None of those makes except Toyota have ever been on a NASCAR track. Where do you get your “facts”? I’ve been following it since the mid 60s. Maybe you are referring to the SCCA or early Trans Am but sure as hell not NASCAR. I suggest you do some research and get your facts straight!
     
  6. GasAxe

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    You ought to get your own facts straight before bloviating.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_Manufacturers'_champions

    Manufacturer Model Years active
    Alfa Romeo Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1962[3] 0
    American Motors Nash Ambassador early 1950s
    Hudson Hornet 3
    AMC Matador 1971–1978 0
    Aston Martin Unknown model 1953
    Austin-Healey Austin-Healey Sprite 1961–1962
    Jaguar Jaguar XK120 1953–1956
    Kaiser-Frazer Henry J 1949–1954
    MG Motor MG T-type 1954
    MG MGA 1960–1963
    Packard Unknown model 1950–1956
    Porsche Porsche 356 1953–1954
    Studebaker Unknown model 1950–1962
    Triumph Motor Company Unknown model 1960 0
    Tucker 1948 Tucker Sedan 1950
    Volkswagen Volkswagen Beetle 1953
    Willys Unknown model 1952–1954


    I miss the old days of Allpar when BS was called out and posters were reprimanded for such obtuse behavior.
     
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  7. GaryS

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    Kinda' arguing over semantics, as there seems to be no definitive answer to the debate. The early day fields were pretty much left to the discretion of the track promoters.

    Yes, they were included in some cases. Everything I've ever read about "Grand National" class NASCAR sanctioned races and the "Cup" equivalents has been one race with a Jaguar entered. Apparently even someone like Mike Joy needed information to clarify the situation.

    MG NASCAR history (yes!) 1963 photo needed URGENT : MGB & GT Forum : MG Experience Forums : The MG Experience (at https://www.mgexp.com/forum/mgb-and-gt-forum.1/mg-nascar-history-yes-1963-photo-needed.508026/ )
     
  8. LouJC

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    Oh well you forgot to add, those were real cars actually built by the manufacturers for street and racing. NOT what Toyota and whoever else they throw into the mix, is presenting. Come on, let's say, none of them has been on a NASCAR track in the last 50+ years and then some! You are all missing the point! Yes they raced those cars in Europe too!

    OK and for facts, well last I checked, AMC (Matador), Hudson (Hornet) Willys and Kaiser Frazer and Studebaker were American.
    So I'll amend my statement: not in the last 50+ years good enough? It has nothing to do with my objections to present policy in NASCAR. Not one thing.
     
  9. Beentherebefore

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    You left out Volvo, Simca, and Morris ;).


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  10. LouJC

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    Irrelevant
     
  11. Panterasr9

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    At least it's an American company. That's my take.
     
  12. page2171

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    1. As others have shared, having foreign manufacturers compete in NASCAR isn't exactly a new thing.
    2. Dodge is kind of-sort of American at this point.
    3. Are you afraid them darn furriners (sorry, my redneck spelling might be off :D) might beat the Americans?
     
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  13. Panterasr9

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    Nope just a run of mill jingoist.
     
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  14. LouJC

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    No and no. If they win it means nothing more than they spent more money or hired better people. What it does not mean, is we will get exciting rear drive cars from them anytime soon. It does not fit with their boring corporate agenda. Lets look at some facts for the fact checkers above.
    Toyota (apparently will not build any sporty car on their own any longer) makes 2 sporty cars, one a joint venture with Subaru and has a Subaru flat 4 engine and the Supra, which is a BMW under the skin. A Subaru flat 4 esp in normally aspirated form, is far from sporty. A BMW drivetrain is great but not a Toyota.
    Honda, makes none, I do not consider a front drive Civic sporty.
    I rest my case for all the OCD fact checkers who like to toss up irrelevant facts, to further obfuscate.

    The manufacturers who should be in NASCAR, are companies that have the guts to on their own, built excitement. You know who they are. Despite bankruptcies, etc. Let Brand Toyo and Brand Honda get their glory the way the prefer, selling boredom. Not riding on the coattails of what NASCAR once was, because they have money.
    If that is all that NASCAR will be in the future, I'll go to as many Trans Am races as I can.
     
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  15. LouJC

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    PS...
    on my F-1 app I got the news that Honda will power Red Bull and Toro Rosso team cars. See fact checkers, that's where they belong. Not building fake 5.8 liter V-8s.
     
  16. Fast Eddie

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    Manufacturer – Number of Wins [last win, when, driver], 1949 to Current
    *Chevy – 786 [Dover, 10/6/2019, Kyle Larson]
    *Ford – 686 [Texas, 11/3/2019, Kevin Harvick]
    Dodge – 217 [Dover, 9/30/2012, Brad Keselowski]
    Plymouth – 190 [Talladega, 8/12/1973, Dick Brooks]
    Pontiac – 155 [Darlington, 3/16/2003, Ricky Craven]
    *Toyota – 143 [Homestead, 11/17/2019, Kyle Busch]
    Oldsmobile – 115 [Michigan, 8/16/1992, Harry Gant]
    Mercury – 96 [Talladega, 8/3/1980, Neil Bonnett]
    Hudson – 79 [West Palm Beach, 2/6/1955, Herb Thomas]
    Buick – 65 [North Wilkesboro, 4/22/1990, Brett Bodine]
    Chrysler – 59 [Hartsfield SC, 6/23/1961, Buck Baker]
    AMC – 5 [Darlington, 9/1/75, Bobby Allison]
    Lincoln – 4 [Charlotte, 4/2/1950, Tim Flock]
    Studebaker – 3 [Mobile AL, 11/25/1951, Frank Mundy]
    Nash (NMC) – 1 [Charlotte Speedway, 4/1/1951, Curtis Turner]
    Jaguar – 1 [Linden Airport NJ, 6/13/54, Al Keller]
    * active manufacturer
     
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  17. Dave Z

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    Good list. Dodge and Plymouth are doing pretty well considering they've been out of action for so many years... it almost makes you wonder if Dodge re-entered just to beat Plymouth.
     
  18. Stéphane Dumas

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  19. plymouth1

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    Honda would be another reason I don't watch anymore. There are two young Wisconsin drivers moving up the ranks. Ty Majeski and Derek Kraus. Both have moved up to the Truck series this year so I'll follow them there. Won't be watching the top series much until they get there.
     
  20. mopar22

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    If honda is a reason you wont watch why would you want to root for someone that drives a toyota (Kraus)
     

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