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Barracuda Frame

Discussion in 'A Body: Duster, Valiant, Dart, etc' started by Duane Hewitt, Aug 31, 2016.

  1. Citation84

    Citation84 Well-Known Member

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    Additionally, for clarity, Detroit never built 2 door or four door "post" sedans. 2 & 4 door hardtops or 2 or four door sedans. 2 or 4 door hardtop wagons, but no 2 or four door "post" wagons. "Post" anything was never referenced. This is a modern vocabulary affectation.

    Check The Old Car Manual Project to see decades worth of brochures, one won't find a reference for 2 or 4 door "post" anything.

    Also add: switch "out" swap "out" change "out" and price "point".
    Switching, swapping and changing already infers that something is coming out. Same with "price point": the price is the point. The price is the price. Price "range" is the proper term when discussing a price segment. A point is specific.
     
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  2. GLHS60

    GLHS60 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the term "post" shows a general lack of automotive history.

    Thanks
    Randy
     
  3. geraldg

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    I guess you should look at the Barrett/Jackson auction on video and they will explain the term post.:rolleyes:.
     
  4. 68RT

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    Post is an old term for "Pillar" as used before the Fifties. At that time they were all vertical and it fit. My how words and meanings change. As a younger person in those days, PILLAR was never used at the dealer. It was always a 2-door or 4-door post until early in the 50's when we finally got a "HARDTOP". Even though metal tops were "Hard" before then.

    Pillar (car) - Wikipedia
     
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  5. geraldg

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    As a matter of fact the 79 to 81 R bodies where called pillared hardtops.
     
  6. GLHS60

    GLHS60 Well-Known Member

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    If anyone can show an automobile manufacturer sales brochure from any era that uses the term "post" I would like to see it.

    Like Citation84 mentioned, "post" is a home made term for folks that couldn't figure out the difference between a sedan and a hardtop.;)

    From about 1971 on there were variations on terms such as pillared hardtop etc but still none were called a "post".

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    Randy
     
  7. GLHS60

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    [​IMG]
     
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  8. pt006

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    60; thanks for the memories. What wasn't listed is the GT model that came with a 318 4 speed. As a side note, Oldsmobile and others made 4-door hardtops back in the 60's.
     
  9. 68RT

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    Earlier than that.

    56 pontiac 4-door hardtop - Google Search:



     
  10. geraldg

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    How about a 4 door hardtop station wagon. Both Ford and Chrysler had them.
     
  11. Fast Eddie

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    My dad's 57 Mercury Commuter wagon was a 2 door hardtop.
     
  12. 68RT

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    Pontiac Safari & Chevrolet Nomad are the best known 2-door hardtops.
     
  13. geraldg

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    Sorry you are wrong they had a post or pillar behind the front door. The Mercury and Chrysler where true hardtops they had the post or pillar behind the rear window.
     
  14. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie Valued Member
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    Here is a scan of the 1957 Mercury ad. My Dad had a red 2 door hardtop wagon exactly like the one in the picture. As you can see it also came in a 4-door hardtop also. It had a 255 HP - 312" engine with the 2 speed Mercomatic transmission. 1957 Mercury Commuter Wagons.jpg
     
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    Buick and Oldsmobile had them as well. Here is the Buick version.
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  16. geraldg

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    I wasn't sure about GM but they where all true hardtops.
     
  17. GLHS60

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    Actually, the original FordoMatic and MercoMatic were three speed automatic transmissions.

    The confusion stems from the fact that they started out in 2nd when in the Drive position.

    You have to select manual Low to engage 1st gear.

    If max acceleration is required, you shift from Low to Drive then back to Low once 2nd is engaged.

    Then, a shift from Low to Drive allows the final shift into high, or direct Drive.

    There was a small car 2 speed auto for the Falcon, Farlane etc from about 1960 to 1965.

    The next generation had D1 and D2 to start in Low or 2nd.

    Around 1967 Ford settled on Drive - 2 - 1.

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  18. voiceofstl

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    OP: its been years since I've been in a hardtop. Where the front window meets the back window was there alot of air leakage and wind noise.

    ps: I do remember it was alot easier to put a cloths hanger through the window"
    gap" if you locked your keys in the car .
     
  19. 68RT

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    Noise wasn't a big problem if you had good seals and proper adjustment. GM had seals at the top of the door windows that opened when you opened the door.
     

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