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Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Dave Z, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. valiant67

    valiant67 Rich Corinthian Leather
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    Two problems:
    1) Things really were much simpler then, especially from a regulatory standpoint.
    2) Chrysler of old could be a risk taker. FCA isn't and prefers to follow the lead of others.
     
  2. jerseyjoe

    jerseyjoe Plymouth Makes It

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    Hows following doing for FCA? 200? Like world needs Hyundai knockoffs. Do budget Merceded look alikes, here in the US at least.
     
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  3. DAGAR

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    Yes GM has the corvette, but you can't put the Mustang in that bucket... that is answered by the Challenger. I applaud the patriotism, but don't let it become blind nationalism for no good reason...
     
  4. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    If only it was as simple as you are making it out to be.

    Mike
     
  5. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    Unfortunately some people don’t see that.

    Mike
     
  6. jerseyjoe

    jerseyjoe Plymouth Makes It

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    At this point the discussion is useless, I have made my position clear.
     
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  7. jerseyjoe

    jerseyjoe Plymouth Makes It

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    FCA had Dart and 200, misshandled both.
     
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  8. Jim Georgia

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    The Question is what is the THIRD THING?
     
  9. geraldg

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    I always thought the Viper was considered a halo vehicle but I never saw it in any of their advertisements. The problem is all the money is going over to the Italian brand dare a American brand compete with Maserati and the other ones. I call them like I see them. You may agree or disagree that is my opinion. As was said here by other people they are putting all their eggs in one basket and better hope the bottom doesn't fall out. You may criticize Daimler but they gave us the 300. I have been around Chrysler longer than most of you have lived and shake my head at what has happened to it. Maybe change the Viper but keep the name. I had a friend that had a 70 dodge charger and made it into a Daytona 500 with a viper V10 and with all the engineers you have at FCA they should be able to come up with something. As was said Chrysler was the company that was the leader and now is the follower. They can build the Demon and Hellcat but can't build the 200 and Dart.????
     
  10. Mike V.

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    Viper has been featured in all Dodge advertisements for decades. The current television ad campaign includes the Viper in most of the commercials.

    Again, the third gen Hemi is too wide for the shock towers and too tall to fit under the hood and cowl of the Viper. Your friend’s custom installation of a V10 in a B Body is meaningless to the conversation because he did not follow required SAE standards, EPA standards, or FMVSS that an auto manufacturer is required to follow.

    The reasons why the 200 and Dart production ended has been discussed and explained many times over. The plants those vehicles were built at are being utilized for more profitable product. There is no need to continue to beat the dead horse in this thread.

    Mike
     
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  11. Mike V.

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    Unfortunately your position does not consider the manufacturing requirements.

    Im sorry but it is what it is.

    Mike
     
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  12. Dave Z

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    You may think shoving a Hemi into a Viper is a great idea until you:

    1) Realize you can't see over the hood
    2) Have an engine shoved into your lap in a 15 mph collision.
    3) Try to build ten of them a day

    Yup... (apparently the PT Cruiser engineers didn’t either! ;) )
     
  13. redriderbob

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    Note how the 6.1L HEMI powered Chrysler Firepower (with a ZB chassis underneath) proportions are. The hood height is much taller than the stock 2006 Dodge Viper SRT-10 Coupe (ZB) underneath. They also pushed the cabin of the Firepower further back on the ZB platform than the stock SRT-10 Coupe. Lots of modifications went into making the HEMI sit low.

    and @Dave Z with a big enough shoe horn you can put a 5.7L HEMI into a PT Cruiser! ;)

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    or a Viper motor in one! lol
     
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  14. jerseyjoe

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    I sure picked a bad time to stop smoking. :D
     
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  15. Please don't remind me of the Chrysler Firepower -- that one still stings..... That car should have been built. Even with the larger hood height needed for the V8, that car is absolutely beautiful -- and it still puzzles me that the Crossfire (a weaker concept car IMO) got the green light while the Firepower didn't (which would have been probably been easier to manufacture versus Crossfires by re-using Conner's old Prowler assembly line).

    Americans want V8 coupes -- the V6 Crossfire was destined to be a slow seller, but I'm pretty confident the V8 Firepower would have been far more successful.
     
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  17. geraldg

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    Then make the Firepower the new Viper.
     
  18. geraldg

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    I still do.
     
  19. Dave Z

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    73PD... I am not surprised. The Firepower was a great idea but Daimler wanted a new type of Chrysler image — that is, as a second-hand Mercedes. The Crossfire probably got them royalties and consulting fees from the US side, and put Chrysler in its place — well below Mercedes. Oops on SRT for making it a better car than the Mercedes...

    The Firepower and Crossfire are in different classes, but I suspect it would have made a small profit.
     
  20. Erik Latranyi

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    Firepower was aimed higher in the market than Daimler wanted them to go. It would have created competition for them and they could not take the chance that the "stupid American engineers" could develop a vehicle that was superior to any comprable Mercedes costing 2-3 times as much.

    So , Daimler saddled them with the Crossfire
     
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  21. MJAB

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    Am I wrong or Dodge Viper will be out of production because "ejection mitigation" rules that will be effective next september or october?
    Same reason why also Alfa Romeo 4C coupé will not, very likely, imported in U.S.A. next year.
     

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