Discussion in 'New Challenger, 300, Magnum, Charger' started by hemi_magnum, Nov 21, 2005.
Thanks for the insight. Yes, modern brakes have come a long way.
It wouldnt be there in the junkyard if people had common sense better skills, accident no; someone screwed up. Accident implies it was no ones fault.
You forgot better driver.
Yes, the nut that holds the steering wheel. Forgot that one.
Official Challenger Launch Ceremony Thursday May 8th
Frank Ewasyshyn, The Media, Politicians and Union Officials...to be present
Here they come ladies and gentlemen
To clarify - braking effectiveness is also an engineering/executive decision. Police Chargers stop shorter than lighter cars from the same company.
Buy the car, buy the parts, and buy the tools - and make it happen. Maybe it'll be worth something - as a project car. Maybe not. With enough time, effort, and money - anything is possible.
Bring it on Youtube! :lol:
Excess momentum is not excess weight. And the car doesn't drive itself. Excess weight is not the "root cause."
Reduced driver error can help just as much as "better" brakes.
Well, no, driver error is the cause of most crashes. The error may have been going too fast for conditions, which would give you the "excess momentum", but you can do that in a 1200 lb formula car just as easily as in a 4100 lb muscle car.
The idea that lightweight cars crash less is absurd.
Keep in mind that there is also a Charger in One Lap that hasn't crashed. Chargers and I believe a Magnum were run in the last couple of years without incident. This is most likely driver error.
I can think of a couple scenarios.
You are on the highway, traveling 70 mph. (If you have a Challenger, is this a possibility? Anyone on Allpar ever go 80? 90?)
There is a curve, an over pass, then a rise, and you are a careful driver, so you slow down to 60 mph ( = 88 feet per second). Suddenly, you see an accident happen right in front of you.
If your reaction time is .5 sec, then you have travelled 44 feet, even before you hit the brakes to slow down. (If you are an Olympic sprinter, your reaction time is about .25 sec, and you have travelled only 22 feet before you hit the brakes).
Only then do you begin to slow down for the accident.
What is the stopping distance from 60 mph for the 4100 lb muscle car?
What is the stopping distance from 60 mph for the 1200 lb formula 1 car?
What is the stopping distance for an 18-wheeler?
What is the stopping distance for a motorcycle?
Will you be able to stop in time? Maybe, maybe not. 18 wheelers and cement mixers don't do well in stopping distances. A fully loaded semi knows that he may have to take a few cars out. Sounds morbid, but they know it. Many accidents happed because someone cuts in front of a semi. Have you ever seen an 18-wheeler go 70 mph? They can't evade obstacles very well either.
Motorcycles, on the other hand, do well in this regard, but they have other issues. They may even get rear ended because the car behind them can't stop as fast. Think of momentum and reaction times, next time you see a pile up on the freeway. Happens every day, I saw a 4 car pile up yesterday.
Objects in motion tend to stay in motion, unless acted upon by a force. The heavier the object, the more force the required to stop the object, within a given distance, and before a crash. That's not absurd, it's a law of physics.
I really didn't want to drag this out this far, or be negative. I will end by saying that Chrysler has done a great job by putting Brembos on the Challenger SRT. They know all of this, and use the Brembos to supply the required frictional force for their specified stopping distance. I wonder if I can get the Brembos on the R/T.
Best regards, and stay safe.
In today's press conference, spokeswoman Kristin Tyll said Chrysler will begin taking orders for the 2009 Challenger in the next few weeks.
Here is a slide show of yesterday's Challenger launch. It includes a lot of photos of the Challengers on the Brampton assembly line.
To all you folks at Brampton Assembly:
You do us all proud.
Oh please no...no...no...nothing but the 3.5 HO for now. The 2.7 should never be in the Challenger!
The Detroit News Report on the Challanger Launch - Today 3:12 PM
THE MAD DUCK
The Charger commercials debuted back in 2005 for the Dodge Charger 500 Nascar race.
The Avenger commercials debuted for the 2007 Dodge Avenger 500 Nascar race....
....and for the Dodge Challenger 500 race?
Why advertise a car that has had the most free press of any car that has come out lately, is on the cover of every car mag this month and is sold out for the first model year?
If you don't know about Challenger you:
A: live under a rock
B: wouldn't buy one
C: don't care and a commercial isn't likely to change your mind
Not sure if anyone has read the quick review from the Top Gear Magazine overseas: Dodge Challenger SRT8
most notable quotes : " It's not that the Mustang's not huge fun - it is. It's just that the Challenger is miles better. "
"No question, this is the new benchmark muscle car. "
The Orlando Sentinel's automotive editor Steven Cole Smith loves the Challenger as well.
Like all others he wants more steering feel, will we get that in 2009 or 2010 R/T models?