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Dodge race engine

Discussion in 'Current Motorsports / Racing News' started by kpax478, Jun 29, 2020.

  1. kpax478

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    Hi, I'm trying to remember a dodge race engine that was produce after the ban of the HEMI. The engine I think was a 300 cid or something close to it, I was told by a guy many years ago that engine was so strong Nascar banned it after 1 test session, my friend is no longer with us so I can't ask him. Do anyone remember this?
     
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    I did some of the dyno testing on these engines. We tried a 366", 396" and a 404" versions of the Hemi with different valve sizes etc. Tried to match the displacement to either short tracks or speedways but never really spent a lot of time working on them.
     
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    That’s not true.

    See the link to the aerowarrior.com site!!
     
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    It would have been interesting if the "Wire car" Melrose Missile had taken to the track with the 340 engine which the 355 was based on. Also the AAR Cuda was quite a car.
     
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    Not sure what the "wire car" Melrose Missile was (???). I was a regular at NorCal dragstrips (Fremont, HMB, and Lodi) in the early 60s and saw the Melrose Missiles I - III in action (413 & 426 Max wedges) and then the Melrose Missiles IV - VI with the 426 Hemis for power. After that, they became early Funny Cars with 426 Hemi injected motors and later added blowers. I've posted the photos I shot of the Melrose Missiles on the NHRA historical thread in Motorsports section.
     
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    Add Ray Elder and Jack McCoy to that list too ;)
     
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    The Mopar Missile: “The Wire Car” (1974 Plymouth Duster drag racer) (at https://www.allpar.com/racing/missile/wire-car.html )
     
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    "Mopar Missile" vs "Melrose Missile" - big difference, but, hey, my memory often doesn't always fire on all 8 anymore either :(. IIRC, this is the car that Don Carlton died in during a testing accident and the motor was salvaged, further developed, and then used in the Plym Arrow that Bob Glidden drove to the NHRA Pro Stock championship in 1979. I think that "Fast Eddie" worked on developing these motors and can fill in more details.
     
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    Any info on the 305 Hemi or the 426 Wedge Engines used around 1971-72??

    Thanks
    Randy

     
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    The 305 was a destroked 340, not hemi related. It had an LD-340 intake!! Keith Black built it and did a BUNCH of headwork.
    The 1970 Trans Am program work helped, but like apples and oranges for the end use. Road racing RPM changes versus wide open all day!

    The 426 wedge Nascar engine had a hemi block with wedge heads adapted to it.
     
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    Right on, a 305 Hemi doesn't make sense!!

    Come to think of it a 305 Wedge doesn't make sense in NASCAR either.

    I guess that's why they didn't run them.

    Were the 426 Wedge heads any sort of Max Wedge or something different?

    Thanks
    Randy


     
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    It does make sense when it’s mandated by NASCAR. Rather than ban the aero cars, NASCAR limited them to 305 ci maximum displacement (or add a weight penalty), effectively making them non-competitive.
    I think this is the situation that was misconstrued for the original post in this thread.
     
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    Art Pollard Plym open wheel win - Champion ad.jpg
     
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    IIRC (memory a little fuzzy - long, long time ago), the wedge heads originally got a big break from Nascar re restrictor plate openings. Most thought that they would be dogs. Then they swept one of the July Daytona races 1 - 3 or 1 - 4. Nascar quickly changed their RP allowances and they were no longer competitive.

    Back to the Hemis!
     
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