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Dodge Ready To Return To NASCAR in the U.S.?

Discussion in 'Motorsports / Racing News' started by dodgeismycar, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. Muther

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    Honda is a juggernaut. They will correct the issue they have had, and the teams that stick with them will benefit greatly. I have never seen any other make, of anything, with a drive to win anywhere close to that of Honda.

    They are expanding into more forms of Motorsport, and honestly, I could see them expanding into NASCAR, but only, ONLY, if they get a fair shake in the rules. When the playing field is level, never count them out.
     
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  2. Dodgeguy1961

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    So you are saying that Honda could be the "other" manufacturer interested in joining NASCAR? They do have more of a performance history than Toyota. They do race to win and are competetive in may motorsports.
    Personally, I'd rather see a new owner in NASCAR to race Dodges rather than Childress. His loyalty to Chevy is well known. Or bring the Petty organization back to prominence with a multi-car team and new drivers. There should be a few quality drivers available this or next silly season.
     
  3. Muther

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    Honda is spending money. I could see them taking the plunge into NASCAR. Do I think they will?

    Who knows.

    Not me.

    One thing is for sure, they will demand a stable set of rules that gives no favoritism to another make. If they get a level playing field that does not change underneath them, I could see it.

    If they don’t get that? No chance.

    All of the Japanese makes race. Always have, pretty much always will. Most Americans don’t see the series in which they compete: WRC, Super GT500, F1, LeMans, WEC, WTCC, etc., etc.

    They have competed since day one. It is part of the mindset. There is simply no point in building cars if you are not going to “do battle” with them? That lacks honor.
     
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    Not surprising since the head of the company proclaimed to a reporter from "Autoweek" last year that "if Honda does not race, there is no Honda". That's the kind of company that I like to support with my vehicle purchases (and they build pretty reliable vehicles for the street as a bonus). The guys that ran Chrysler back in the 60s and early 70s used to have those same beliefs and I supported them with multiple vehicle purchases till I got tired of waiting for them to re-develop that attitude, especially when they were raking in big profits from all the minivans they were selling . They purchased a winery instead. I then tried a Honda product because, besides their reputation, they had the kahunas to challenge "Brand C" in major league racing series (IRL) and beat them regularly. We'll have a vacancy in our family motorpool coming up maybe next year. I'm holding off on purchase decisions till I see what kind of interest in motorsports SM or whoever ends up running the company comes up with towards participating in Nascar, NHRA, open wheel series, major off-road, or major league sports car racing - preferrably most of them, a la Honda.
     
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  5. GasAxe

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    I wonder how Toyota feels about the heavy GM-centric attitude NASCAR seems to hold...

    I think the window for Honda entering NASCAR was the 2-3 years after Toyota entered. If they didn't jump to compete after their rival started to win some races, plus with NASCAR was at it's peak at the time, I don't see how today or the near future would be a more enticing time to join.

    The only brand I could see possibly entering NASCAR would be Hyundai with the Genesis.
     
  6. Dodgeguy1961

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    Toyota seems to be doing pretty darn good lately in NASCAR. I don't think they are complaining about any GM-centric attitude.
     
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    I have to wonder what Honda's mindset is right now considering their absolutely dreadful performance in F1 with McLaren. Do you think they would want the distraction that comes with all the NASCAR politics?
    Same reasoning applies to FCA. Why enter a racing series with serious viewership issues with no credible teams available to partner with.
     
  8. Muther

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    Sidebar: Honda has for sure had troubles in F1. Rest assured, that will get fixed, and fixed right. Next year the Torro Rosso F1 team will get the Honda engines. Many believe the Honda failures were closely connected with a McLaren F1 team that had lost its foucus, not to mention its leadership, when Ron Dennis left (F1’s best all time team principle). Ron Dennis left F1, and many believe Honda couldn’t wait to end their relationship with the gutted McLaren Team. When Honda moves to Torro Rosso, we will see. I predict great things for TorroRosso/Honda, and I predict McLaren/Renault will not fair much better than they have (Renault is the former Lotus team).

    Ok, so that was some Honda back ground. Honda races. They race more than any other Japanese make. The only ones close are Nissan and Toyota. Honda wins simply because they compete in motorcycle racing, too.

    Honda could make a NASCAR entry. NASCAR is essentially a silhouette series (like DTM, Super V8’s, or Japanese Super GT). The only thing that resembles the road car is the race car’s silhouette. So, Honda wants to dominate anybmotorsport where they also sell cars. The two biggest US series is NASCAR and Indy. They already spank chevy in Indy...
     
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    Honda has had issues in indycar too. They've lucked out a lot but they've blown a lot of engines
     
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    as a side note, V8 super-cars are at a crossroads next year with a total rule change that will bring in some very interesting competition from other manufacturer's and the engine of choice will no longer be v8 only, sorta like touring cars used to be in the early days. Chrysler would do very well with a challenger or charger entry.
     
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    I can get you a discount... For a Dodge, of course. ;)
     
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    I'll pay list price (well, almost ;)) and put up with their reliability problems and lousy dealer service/reputation in this area when I hear SM or the head of Dodge saying "If Dodge does not race, there is no Dodge" a la the CEO of Honda..........and puts those words into action, a la Honda.
     
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  14. Beentherebefore

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    It's been "Chevcar" since 1972 when Nascar instituted the first restrictor plates to throttle back the Mopar and Ford Hemis to entice "Brand C" back into the series. Mopar still went ahead and won plenty of races, just as Toyota is doing now. Winning races in that Pro-GM stacked deck that has been Nascar for over 45 years is a good part of the Mopar performance legacy.
     
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    If you think about it, NASCAR has been cowtowing to Chevy longer than it has NOT. I really appreciate the fact that Chevy is so big into Motorsports. As a Mopar fan, I am jealous.

    I really (really really really) admire Honda and Nissan’s dedication to winning, and excelling at any Motorsport in which they choose to compete. With them, it is like Yoda, “There is no try! There is only DO, or DO NOT!”

    Right now, I have to be satisfied with several classes of NHRA, and an admirable, but halfhearted SCCA Trans Am effort.

    What I really want is for NASCAR to add a couple more road courses, and an Atlanta street race, and for Dodge to return with a true will to win. I also want Jeep to return to off road racing. Oh, and a Challenger GT3/4 car would be the cats meow. Oh, oh, and and a relaunch of Lancia as a rally competition specialist with a new Delta HF Integralé Evoluzioné III. Oh, oh, oh, and...


    Hey look...
    the sky turned a really lovley color of denim, and the clouds are green with yello polka dots... can anyone else see it...
     
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    First plate EVER race in Nascar was at MIS in August, 1970 to slow the aerocars.
    I was there. ALL the teams complained!

    Plates continued to get rid of big block engines in the early 70s.
    When Nascar forced the switch to small blocks in 74, they didn't run plates.
    It was a long time between plate races after that!
     
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    In order to avoid any issues similar to the boycott at Talladega in 1969, NASCAR officials mandated the use of a restrictor plate at Michigan in August of 1970. This was the first recorded use of the restrictor plate in NASCAR Grand National racing.
     
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  20. Beentherebefore

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    True, but IIRC the plates were the same for the Chrysler and FoMoCo Hemis. When "BrandC" wanted to come back, Nascar started to set different plate hole sizes for different motors and "Brand C" was given an advantage in breathing. That was well known (and bickered about for several years) but when SPEED used to run those "Men behind the wrenches" shows about 10 years ago, I listened to Jr Johnson talk about how when he and Richard Howard dangled the possibility of bringing "Brand C" back to Nascar in 1971, they insisted on Nascar making "adjustments" to the horsepower capabilities of the Mopars and Fords so that their Che**** would be able to run up front right out of the box. Those "adjustments" were done with different restrictor plate sizes (smaller) for the Mopars and Fords.
     

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