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Dodge Ready To Return To NASCAR in the U.S.?

Discussion in 'Motorsports / Racing News' started by dodgeismycar, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. BrianinMpls

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    I agree, but do we think these current versions of drivers can handle a car that wont stick in every turn? wasnt the old way was learn how to take your car to the limit without crashing the field? I dont mind the occational slip up but it seems from afar that the current breed find cant modify their style to fit the moment, its balls to the wall to the front or become a back marker, not able to make up ground when it counts. just my 1.5 cents.
     
  2. mdh1776

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    I think doing away with the splitter and returning to a valence would do a lot. I think another issue with the current cars is how they run them on the bump stops. They have no suspension travel while at speed on the racetrack. I think a minimum ride height and a minimum spring rate would go a long way. Numerous safety advances have taken place over the past decade or so, and cars don't get off the ground the way they used to. Run of valence, get the cars off the racetrack a little bit, and do away with the side skirts that sell them to the track and I think you would have a lot better racing.

    Supposedly the New Gen 7 cars will direct air through the front bumper and out through a cowl in the hood. The Xfinity series ran something similar at Indianapolis this year with ducts that allowed air to pass through the front fascia. I thought that was some of the best racing that we've seen at Indianapolis in years. I imagine we'll see it more next year.
     
  3. Beentherebefore

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    Another indication that all TV sports viewership (not just Nascar) is continuing to decline. Yesterday's WSJ reported that Disney's 4th quarter earnings were off 3%, dragged down by a 12% drop in income from it's media networks unit "whose crown jewel is ESPN". ESPN does not carry any Nascar racing and, as far as I know, carries no motorsports programming at all. The article states that the "sports juggernaut (ESPN) continues to grapple with sweeping changes in the media business".
     
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  4. mdh1776

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    I mentioned this when we were talking about the NFL earlier, and I'll say it again. When you inject politics into sports and sports media, you hurt your business. I don't care which side of the political fence you fall on, it remains the same. The population is mostly evently split when it comes to politics. Assume both major candidates are only 1 or 2% apart come election day. To make the math easy, say one candidate wins with 50.5%, one loses with 49.5%. When an outlet like ESPN is vocally against and critical of the winner, you alienate 50.5% of your audience. Same thing with the NFL. You allow politics into your business and you can assume, at best, you're going against half of your viewership who then stop consuming your content. And these companies wonder why they are bleeding viewers.

    That isn't me supporting one candidate, party, or platform. That's me giving an observation. If sports teams, leagues, and media outlets would stick to their intended purpose, playing or reporting on sports, I think you wouldn't be seeing these declines. At least not to the degree you are right now.

    Edit to add: I think NASCAR got too big too quickly in the late 90s/early 2000s, and is right sizing itself. I don't see doom and gloom. The sport is in a transitional period but it isn't on its deathbed as so many want to say.
     
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  5. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru!
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    I don't watch NASCAR at all anymore either if I need my Dodge stock car fix, I watch old IROC videos from the 1990s (Daytonas and Avengers)...



    Or old Cup highlights



    Or old finishes...

     
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  6. dodgeismycar

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    I love that Daytona finish!! All over those Toyotas.
    Can't wait to see this scenario again in 2020.
     
  7. Robert J Sublett

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    Spot on. NASCAR alienated D's a long time ago during the 2004 cycle and the NFL is doing it to R's now. Dollar bills don't come with D's and R's on them.
     
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  8. Beentherebefore

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    I think that all sports are in transition and I don't think it has anything really to do with politics. I see as many sports fans around me as always. What is changing is that most of the younger generations go to their personal media devices to follow their favorite sports and don't necessarily sit around in front of a TV for a full football game or Nascar race. For that matter, you might just as well say that all of society is now in transition.
     
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  9. mopar22

    mopar22 Well-Known Member

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    Man guys are doubting you hard on the racing forum, i'd say something over there but i don't feel like making an account
     
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  10. Robert J Sublett

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    Don't worry about it. I just like to give them something to talk about. There is just too much fire that something is not going down. Nearly every rumor, article, internet convo, or anything just seems to be coming together.
     
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  11. mdh1776

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    @redriderbob I believe the NASCAR rules state that a manufacturer must submit body renderings for approval by Oct 1 2017 to be able to run in 2019. Any idea if that happened? I look forward to any details you can provide. So many people with "sources" say Dodge isn't coming back. This off season is going to feel like it takes a year to pass. 96 days until the 500... Hope we hear something during speed weeks.

    Edit to add the actual rule:
    Any manufacturer wanting to come into NASCAR for the 2019 season would have had to make a formal request by September 2017. The current NASCAR rules require race-car renderings for new models to be submitted by more than a year before they ever are raced on the track. The deadline is Oct. 1 (more than 15 months before the actual debut), if the production car is already in production, and Jan. 1 (13 months before the debut), if the production car will start being sold in the year the Cup model debuts. A full-scale race car must be submitted to NASCAR by April 1 prior to the year of debut.
     
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  12. mopar22

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    I'm guessing a full scale car was submitted at some point if rcr was doing testing earlier this year. Testing may not have went well but that's just things that will take time to iron out after being out for a couple years. Just curious where you've seen insiders saying they weren't coming back since most say they are
     
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  13. mdh1776

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    Racing forums mostly. And a lot of people here insist that they aren't either.

    I would also say that the testing that RCR conducted earlier was with an engine. Supposedly the testing produced results that were way off and not competitive. I'd wager it was dyno testing of an ECR built R6/P8 engine, which has led to SRT working on updating it. The R6/P8 was designed for fuel injection, but not the tapered spacer. I imagine that's where the trouble is.
     
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  14. mopar22

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    That's not really insiders though, that's just people thinking that. Most insiders have said they heard some sort of talk about it and i'm gonna guess it's pretty damn close to official if not official since bob said something about it. If i'm not mistaken i believe a year ago he said he didn't believe they were coming back anytime soon but here we are he had his sources say something to him. I'd believe bob over almost anyone else on the racing forums just because we know what he has been right about before
     
  15. mdh1776

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    Yes, me too.
     
  16. ChargerZ

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    I still say that if the 2013 Charger was submitted to Nascar for approval it would still be a valid model and it would only need updating . Not being an expert of the rule book would that mean that Dodge would have to submit a request by Jan or April?
     
  17. mdh1776

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    Formally request to join the sport by Sept, submit drawings of the model by Oct, then a full scale race vehicle by April of next year.
     
  18. mopar22

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    Technically was never fully approved since they were still adjusting aero by the time Dodge backed out
     
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  19. Fast Eddie

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    The R6/P8 was finished in 2007 and was slowly integrated into the series in 2008 and 2009.
     
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  20. mdh1776

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    That predates the introduction of fuel injection by a few years, perhaps I misunderstood the comment about the engine by @redriderbob.
     

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