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FCA closes a mixed 2017‚ down 11%

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Dave Z, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Deckard_Cain

    Deckard_Cain Active Member

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    And that's why they also have the 500, and 500X. Which share components and parts with the 500L. Shocking, I know.
    And in case you missed it, I wrote up there that Fiat is in a bad situation, just like Chrysler and Dodge (plus, we already had this discussion ad nauseum).
     
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  2. Mr. Fusion

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    But the implicit question to which @Deckard_Cain was replying was, "Why bother updating the 500L?" -- not "Why bother importing Fiats to North America?". Asked and answered.
     
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  3. valiant67

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    So are they bringing the refreshed 500L to the US market? Are the costs justified on 111 units per month?
     
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  4. VoiceOfReason

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    Since we're talking rumors, 2021 Ram Rebel TRX.
    o_O
    (though trim levels were excluded, some would argue the Rebel to be a sub-brand)
     
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  5. Ian

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    We got the excuse that it would be too expensive to make a 300 SRT because of the cost of certification, etc etc etc...i'm sure they would've sold about that if not more. Double standards for Fiat.
     
  6. GasAxe

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    Agreed. Yes Jeep has the SUV/CUV market covered but nothing for the 7 passenger market. The incentives to move more Journeys will eventually eat in to that healthy margin too.
     
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  7. Deckard_Cain

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    With the way things are for Fiat, it's hard to justify their presence in the US. And I mentioned that. But you should be happy, because FCA hasn't invested barely a dime in Fiat this year, and in 2018.
    But if we go by that reasoning then FCA should exit a bunch of other markets.
    Why invest to keep Jeep in the Australian market?
    Why invest to keep Jeep and Fiat in Japan?
    Why invest to bring Jeep to India?
    Lets just remove them from those markets where it has a marginal presence.

    Ask the same question about Mini and Smart. Why are BMW and Mercedes fighting to maintain those brands in the US?
    Nothing assures you that there won't be a gas price hike suddenly (who knows what will happen in Iran?) and that small cars won't make a comeback in the US suddenly.
     
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  8. Erik Latranyi

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    The problem is the crash certification for the refreshed 500L will ensure it is a money loser at double current volumes. At a time when margins mean everything, it is interesting to see such an exception.
     
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  9. GasAxe

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    Exactly. I'd be interested to know why the exemption in profit was made versus other vehicles that shall remain nameless. I'm not interested in a gotcha moment, just how the cost of a recertified 500L fits in the big picture. What was the tradeoff?
     
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  10. Mr. Fusion

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    Does anyone here actually know the cost of certifying a refreshed model vs. an all-new model? If a previously-certified car is given a revised fascia and new radios -- and that's it -- does it require a 100% new certification?

    I mean I've seen people on here claim that before, but in fact I have no idea if that's accurate. (If so, then it works differently from aircraft certification, for example.)
     
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  11. valiant67

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    I just checked. 300 (in my area) is no $8000-8500 incentives. These are the January numbers.
     
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    Well it would be even dumber to continue to build non-updated ones just for NA, right? I've said it before the costs of unwinding Fiat at this point greatly exceed the cost of staying the course....
     
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  13. DAGAR

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    Apples and Oranges. The 500L minor refresh will not require new certification testing.
     
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  14. Mr. Fusion

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    Exactly what I was asking above. So if what you're saying is true, then some folks here are being extremely disingenuous, and that's using a polite term.

    People, you can do better than that.
     
  15. jerseyjoe

    jerseyjoe Plymouth Makes It

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    Chryslers shining star in December.
     
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    Just unwind the 500L. No way is it selling enough to support itself.
     
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    valiant67 Rich Corinthian Leather
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    With $8000 to $8500 in incentives for January.
     
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  18. jerseyjoe

    jerseyjoe Plymouth Makes It

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    Chryslers shining star in December.
    Not in my neighborhood.
     
  19. jerseyjoe

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    Not in my neighborhood, I would have one right now, shopping since middle summer.
     
  20. DAGAR

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    Are those incentives that someone can actually get or are they just a bunch of nearly mutually exclusive incentives added up?
     
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