Its not US vs Them, its about joining a team that be a success. If EVERYONE does not focus on the success of a company it will fail. Had at least 12 companies, some big names till I found one I where the bulk was focused on success and recognized everyone who pushed hard. All but the last place did not stand the test of time. You gotta impress the "good old boys" and help each other step up. I did not join a union but can see the wisdom in that. A lot of craftsman in NYC worth their wage or else someone else gets the job. There are places like upstate NY where if you lose your job you sell your house and move to another state. Ask the IBM people and surrounding towns. IT AIN'T EASY BUT THE CHALLENGE PAYS OFF sometime. I'm done with this.