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FCA sales down on fleet drop

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Dave Z, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Dave Z

    Dave Z It's me, Dave
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    FCA reported another drop in US sales, which went down by 4% to 154,919 vehicles. However, retail sales went up by 2%, going to 129,539 vehicles — 84% of total sales. Fleet sales dropped by 25%, with the largest drop coming from Jeep (likely coinciding with the dropping of the Patriot and the replacement of the Compass).

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    The Chrysler Pacifica minivan posted all-time record monthly sales, while the Compass set a new November record. Overall, the only former-Chrysler brand to rise was Chrysler itself, with a 14% gain; Jeep fell by 2%, entirely due to the loss of the Patriot (every other Jeep but the Renegade gained), Ram fell by 5% on a ProMaster shortfall.

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    Dodge fell by 15%, but it’s more complicated than that; the loss of the Dart meant over 2,000 fewer sales. A 28% gain in Caravan sales and a 9% gain in Durango could not overcome a 32% drop in Journeys and 34% drop in Chargers (Challenger essentially held its own).

    Fiat fell by 28%; no Fiat registered even 800 sales (even the ProMaster City managed 1,121, and the Ram reached 36,714).

    Alfa Romeo posted a fine month, by Alfa Romeo standards, with 756 Giulias and 657 Stelvios changing hands. If this trend continues, we could see Alfa Romeo beating Fiat by midyear 2018.

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    Read the whole post here.
     
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  2. UN4GTBL

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    Wow, Pacifica numbers are getting up up there! Still trailing Caravan for the year, but doing not bad!
     
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  3. Tomguy

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    Out of curiosity, what's the average incentive on those Pacificas?
    A few dealers are advertising $40k+ sticker 2017s for $30k or less. It's tempting me, if those deals are to believed.
     
  4. aldo90731

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    Thank you for sharing.

    That’s quite the quote right there.

    On the one hand, I’m sure margin zealots will rejoice. On the other, it highlights the unfolding Fiat USA debacle.
     
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  5. Erik Latranyi

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    It appears to me that what FCA is doing is taking the incentives and moving them around from model to model. Renegade gets it while Cherokee gets none, so we see a Cherokee drop. This month it was Cherokee getting heavy incentives and Renegade got little, so Renegade dropped while Cherokee went up.

    I need to look at the incentive numbers to support this, but it seems to be a pattern. It seems strategic and smart because it helps reduce inventories all around while keeping the incentive pool the same. But shoppers have caught on and will just wait for the incentives to come back around for the model they want.
     
  6. codypet

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    There was a plant shutdown in 2016 right? Looking at these minivan numbers, I don't see how FCA doesn't eventually build a Dodge version of the Pacifica. The Pacifica along doesn't look like its going to match the power the twins had.
     
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    It’s supposed to be Pacifica and a long rumored CUV that fills the plant. Oddly the plant must not be flexible enough to build the two vans plus a CUV as the CUV is delayed until Caravan ends.
     
  8. codypet

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    Didn't it make the Routan/Caravan/T&C and Pacifica at the same time?
     
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  9. redriderbob

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    No. Ended production after the 2014 model year. Town & Country stopped production before Pacifica went into production. Did they run down the same line? Yes.

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  10. adaptabl

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    Yes but they were essentially the same van. The old Caravan is completely different that the Pacifica and the new CUV would also be completely different.
     
  11. Erik Latranyi

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    Yes, they built the Routan/Grand Caravan/Town & Country and the Pacifica wagon all at the same time on the same line.

    But just wait for the excuses to flow in with regard to why it can't be done now.
     
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  12. Erik Latranyi

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    FCA no longer cares about volume. Now it is all about margins instead.
     
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    There is more too it then that. Whenever the crossover debuts (2020 model year) the line will get some updates. The crossover will get a new electronic four wheel drive system (engine will power the front wheels, independent electric motors will power the rear when slippage is detected). Pacifica was designed as well for this system during it's development. The reason to have electric motors to power the rear wheels is it leaves the middle of the vehicle free from a driveshaft which allows for the Stow & Go seats (another feature the CUV and Pacifica were intended on sharing).

    As for Windsor, they are scheduled to build three vehicles based off of the Pacifica architecture in 2021. Pacifica, full-size crossover and the upcoming production version of the Portal (it probably won't be called that, be it will be a shorter version of the Pacifica platform with more than likely a similar system as the Pacifica Hybrid and will have many autonomous vehicle capabilities.

    Sergio has referenced Windsor several times over the past year about these vehicles. In his annual press conference at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, when a reporter asked him about a crossover coming to Windsor he commented "Kuniskis really wants one". He also mentioned "The Portal is based on the Chrysler Pacifica platform. Marchionne said the automaker’s Windsor Assembly Plant, which produces the Pacifica and Dodge Grand Caravan minivans, would be a “natural place” to build the Portal."

    http://www.motortrend.com/news/report-fca-drops-plans-for-crossover-based-on-chrysler-pacifica/

    FCA plans to produce Chrysler Portal concept after 2018 (at http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/detroit-auto-show/2017/01/11/fca-portal/96422622/ )
     
  14. codypet

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    I was referring to the Pacifica CUV. They had to have run down the same line in 2007 and 2008 no? How is that different than the Current Pacifica, a Pacifica Based DGC, and a Chrysler CUV based on the Pacifica?
     
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    How could they? The Routan ended production after the 2014 model year. The last Chrysler Town & Country rolled off the assembly line on March 21, 2016. Production of the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica launched on Feb. 29, 2016, followed by the Pacifica Hybrid on Dec. 1, 2016. So at the most they ran Grand Caravan, Town & Country and Pacifica production for three weeks together and Town & Country production was limited to just the few hundred dealer orders than remained in the system.
     
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    Production of the original Chrysler Pacifica launched in August 2002 and ran until November 2007. Production of the Volkswagen Routan, a rebadged Chrysler minivan, began in August 2008.
     
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    See the title of the thread... NO they are not going to make a Dodge to give away to fleets so they can meet a sales volume number.

    That capacity has other plans.
     
  18. Erik Latranyi

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    Yes, I thought there was an overlap there. Regardless, they build the original Chrysler Pacifica alongside the Grand Caravan and the Town & Country, which shows that three vehicles could be built on the same line.
     
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    That will happen in 2021.
     
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    Nah, the plant could build all three, but the investment needed to launch the CUV is being postponed for net debt zero as just using the capacity for caravan is making enough cash...
     

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