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Fiat 124 road and rally cars

Discussion in 'Fiat News & Rumors' started by Dave Z, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. Dave Z

    Dave Z It's me, Dave
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    Fiat 124 Abarth: road and rally cars

    The Thread.

    The Fiat 124 Abarth made its official debut today at the Geneva Motor Show, which we expected. What we didn’t expect was the fact that the 124 Abarth was introduced in both road and rally racing form, with a planned return to off-road racing for the sporty little Fiat.

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    The Abarth 124 Spider is the higher performance version of the Mazda-Miata-based Fiat 124 Spider. It has unique interior, exterior, and mechanical upgrades for a far more engaging driving experience.

    The Abarth 124 Spider is powered by the same turbocharged 1.4L 4-cylinder engine as the Fiat version, but with ten extra horsepower for a total output of 170 horsepower and 184 lb-ft of torque. When mated to the 6-speed manual transmission, the Abarth 124 will dash from 0-62 miles per hour in 6.8 seconds en route to a top speed of 143 mph. While it might not add any power, the Abarth 124 also has a Record Monza exhaust system that should give it a lovely grumble.

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    More importantly, the Abarth 124 Spider has been fitted with bigger Brembo brakes, a Bilstein damper setup, a mechanical limited slip differential, and 17 inch lightweight wheels in performance rubber – making the Abarth package a real road gripper. This is the area in which the Abarth 124 will really stand out from the Fiat 124; while the power difference will make the Abarth a touch quicker and faster, handling and braking is where the higher performance model really shines.

    Finally, the Abarth 124 Spider has a host of exterior upgrades, including a body kit that is far sportier than the Fiat. The hood is a matte black to cut down on glare; there is also a spread of red trim around the exterior of this sporty Spider. On the inside, the Abarth 124 has Alcantara seats, a small sport steering wheel, a performance-oriented gauge cluster, and a large infotainment screen atop the dash.

    The Abarth 124 Spider will cost €40,000 in the UK. Based on current conversion rates, that would be around $43,400 in US dollars. Generally, prices are more complex than that, so the actual selling price is unknown.

    Abarth 124 Rally

    Abarth is trying to increase its presence in rally racing with the 124 Rally, a purpose built race car with race-tuned suspension and brakes, a roll cage, and different exterior lighting. All unnecessary weight has been removed, while racing seats with safety harnesses and a self-locking differential have been added.

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    The key feature of the 124 Rally is the 1.8L turbocharged engine, which sends 300 horsepower to the rear wheels via a sequential 6-speed gearbox with paddle shifters. This tiny little car with a 300 horsepower engine should be a blast to drive; but it is expected to cost €150,000, or around US$163,000. That may seem a bit high, but it is a turnkey race car built to FIA R-GT specifications.

    If you are looking to go rally racing, Abarth plans to have these specially equipped 124s ready for the 2017 racing season.
     
  2. KrisW

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    €150k is actually a competitive price for a competition-ready car. Used WRC-spec S2000 cars go for nearly a quarter of a million euro (none of the manufacturers disclose the new costs, as a lot is written off in sponsorship)

    Of course, the car is only the start of your expense: if you're serious, you'll need a preparation team to go with you, which can cost as much as the car every year, plus a set of spares, plus tyres, plus.. plus..

    Good to see Abarth getting back into motorsport this way: unlike Alfa or Ferrari, Abarth operated mostly as a constructor and supplier rather than a factory racing team, so it's great to see them resume that role.
     
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  3. v.b.

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    Very disappointed with 170 HP engine. I was looking forward for an evolution of the Abarth Punto non-multiair 180hp engine going to 200hp.

    Besides, did they launch the Fiat in EU? I guess it has the 140hp engine.

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  4. MJAB

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    Presentation at Geneva


    In italian, but can be turn on the automatic translation on Youtube.


    At the end he says that in 2017 there will a R-GT Abarth championship inside the rallies of "Campionato italiano Rally" and that they are looking to organize also an european challange.
     
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  5. Robinson

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    Thank you for the good news, it is great to see Abarth back where they belong.

    What has been the reaction in the Italian press?
     
  6. MJAB

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    The engine of the rally version "1800 bialbero" is derived from the 1750 TBi used by Alfa Romeo that was modified to be used longitudinally, has different turbocharger, electronic control system and other modifications.
    For FIA R-GT class homologation they will need to assembleat least 200 cars.

    source: Quattroruote magazine interview to Abarth manager Paolo Gagliardo (in italian)
    Abarth - Gagliardo: "Pura ed emozionante, ecco la nostra 124 Spider" - Quattroruote
     
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  7. Robinson

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    Thank you for the link.
    And i look forward to seeing those NEW 200 cars lined up like in the old days.

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  8. Robinson

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    Same reaction here, but in the article supplied by MJAB, Paolo Gagliardo has this to say:
    (if your italian is like mine, you might need the translation)

    "Questa è esattamente la macchina che volevamo, coerente in tutto e per tutto con la filosofia del nostro marchio e con la nostra storia: prendere una vettura e trasformarla in qualcosa di speciale, con una forte connotazione prestazionale". Così Paolo Gagliardo, responsabile del brand Abarth, presenta la nuova spider dello Scorpione introdotta al Salone di Ginevra. "L'idea di base in fondo è la stessa della 595: una vettura dove non conta tanto la potenza quanto il divertimento di guida, in qualsiasi condizione. Una macchina per patiti, insomma, che non badano all’ultimo grido in fatto equipaggiamento, che cercano ancora le emozioni."

    Eppure fra gli appassionati c'è chi recrimina, su quei "soli" 170 cavalli…

    In realtà bisogna guardare anche a un altro numero, ai 1.060 kg, e al rapporto peso-potenza che ne consegue. Perché il mondo ormai è pieno di auto strapotenti, ma al tempo stesso incapaci di regalare emozioni a chi guida. In quest'ottica trovo che in fondo il 1.400 Multiair sia la scelta giusta, la più coerente con la piattaforma e con la stessa filosofia di una vettura dove, insisto, la leggerezza è fondamentale."

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    "This is exactly the car we wanted, consistent in all respects with the philosophy of our brand and with our history: take a car and turn it into something special, with a strong performance connotation." So Paul Gagliardo, head of Abarth brand, introduces the new spider Scorpion introduced at the Geneva Motor Show. "The basic idea is basically the same as the 595: a car where power does not matter so much as the fun of driving, in all conditions. A machine for fans, in short, who do not care trendy in fact equipment, who still seek the emotions. "

    Yet there are those who recriminations among fans, of those "only" 170 horsepower ...

    In fact we must also look to another number, to 1,060 kg, and the power to weight ratio that follows. Because the world is now full of self-powerful, but at the same time unable to excite those who guide. In this context I find that after the 1400 Multiair is the right choice, the most consistent with the platform and with the same philosophy of a car which, I insist, the lightness is crucial.
     
  9. Alfisti89

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    I'm really interested in the Abarth 124 though I'm still a little iffy with Fiat's reputation for durability though since I plant to keep the car for a long time.
     
  10. KrisW

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    FIAT's parts are the powertrain, and those FIRE engines are well proven and long-lasting. MultiAir has proven to be pretty reliable (early engines were fussy about needing the exact grade of oil, but the later models seem to be a lot less fussy) Everything else is down to Mazda.
     
  11. v.b.

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    It is not that it "only" has 170hp. Mostly, it is that the Fiat version ONLY has 140hp.

    But, really? All that Abarth had to do was to put an engine in and they choose a 6 years old Rev-limited high production engine? That's lazy. And they ask 40k for it.

    Edit: they have a lot more space under the hood compared to a 500. Could have gone for an exotic supercharging solution (electric assist turbo, dual turbo, etc)

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    Obviously there is a space for 1.75 TBi if the put a one into a Rally version. So I expect it for US Abarth 124 Spider and for some even more expensive EU version.
     
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    It's the first year of a new car..................you try to limit initial launch and quality problems by using a tested engine to eliminate launch problems. The coming years will give them plenty of opportunity to upgrade the engine and the rest of the car. For example, look at the progress of the Charger over the years. You can't do everything the first year................it's called job security.
     
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    They may not have much more years left. I don't see this deal going forward now, with Toyota in the picture.

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  15. Andraz3d

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    In EU, with 100 euros, you can get this FIRE engine to 190 hp with a smart remap. Without clutch suffering too much.
     
  16. v.b.

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    Not the Fiat 140hp version, which is what I would be interested in. Let's say that lowered sport suspension doesn't go well with surrounding roads.

    But yes, you could upgrade the turbo and get there.

    Anyway, when you are toying around with composites turbo, dual turbo setups (edit: as a company), this is the kind of car you experiment with.

    Maybe they will have an esseesse kit available.

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  17. 97 plymouth neon expresso

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    140 Horsepower? They might as well leave the 155 HP Mazda engine in there, or just buy the Miata instead.
     
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    even with 140hp, the 1.4 has more tuning potential than Mazda's 150hp motor because Turbo
     
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    And it should have a lot more torque making performance a lot more accessible in more driving environments.
     
  20. AlfaCuda

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    And it should have a lot more torque making performance a lot more accessible in more driving environments.
     

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