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Fiat Chrysler in talks to forge extensive ties with Renault

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by HEMI345, May 25, 2019.

  1. AlexB

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    :rolleyes::confused::rolleyes:
    It hasn't, organizationally already has.....
    The model is the 300, Levante and 300 shares parts.
    Ralph is the head of design Globally.
    RAM,Jeep,overhauling plants & playing off debt have ate significant resources
     
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    Fifty years ago tomorrow, American manufacturing landed a man on the moon. At what point between then and now did this inferiority complex arrive?

    If you think FIAT came in to Chrysler with disdain for its engineering, you're flat-out wrong. Chrysler wouldn't have been worth saving without its development and engineering expertise.. it should be obvious after a decade that this isn't Daimler again - FIAT never thought of themselves as the world's best car makers (It's this lack of hubris that has led the company to adopt so many industry-first innovations, like robotic assembly and computer modelling). When FIAT met Chrysler, they came to learn, and share. Again, this is obvious if you look at the products.
     
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    I have a feeling that some think about Giorgio as Fiat's project. Things does not work like that Italy. Giorgio is in the first place Italian project but it's not Fiat.

    Fiat has product development expertise but it stops around C/compact segment and FWD based products.
    No wonder that ex Fiat is responsible for Small Wide products and future forks.

    Americans are mostly for BOF products and what's my understanding they may have more input for E and D segment unibody products. But what has been American responsibility is a CUSW and its development.
     
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    I'd say the low volumes sold here make that impractical.
     
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    So you are saying normal business expenses have eaten up resources? How is this unique to FCA?
     
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    It's far from normal. Very rarely some company switches from unibody to BOF plant and vice versa. FCA did it twice in the recent years. Or when company adds all new assembly. All that resulted at higher expenses than usual. All that was in NAFTA or to be more precise in US.
     
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    And the new Ram launch didn't go as smoothly as it was expected to, further eating resources.
     
  8. Dan Minick

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    It was made in an assembly plant that had never done BOF before.
    SHAP: since 1985: H body, AP, JA, JR, JS, etc.
     
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    Again, nothing other manufacturers haven't gone through.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but what did Ford do with its Wayne plant? Didn't it go from making the Focus and C-Max to making Rangers? Wasn't that a unibody to BOF swap there too?
    In fact, if we look back through history this plant has switched between BOF and unibody vehicles a few times before.
     
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    I am very aware of that. I toured that plant twice over the years. They had unforseen launch issues with Ram that ended up using up more resources then they thought. Not unheard of, but it did happen.
     
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    More than that: BMW kickstarted its own SUV program using Land Rover's engineering capability. The L332 Range Rover was co-developed with the very first BMW SUV, the X5 and E38 7-series, although the Range Rover model didn't launch until three years after X5, 2002 - by which time Land Rover belonged to Ford.

    All in all, BMW did very well from briefly owning Rover - it got a platform for making FWD transverse-engine cars (MINI) and access to decades of experience in luxury SUV design. X5 in particular has been BMW's cash-cow for the last two decades.
     
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    The Mini platform came from Rover??
     
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    BMW bought Rover in 1994, so right around the time they would’ve started work on the 2001 MINI Cooper.
     
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    Work began on a "new Mini" in 1993, before BMW acquired Rover. After acquisition, the then-CEO of BMW Berndt Pischetsrieder championed the project, recognising it as filling a huge gap in BMW's capability. (BMW acquired Rover for the same reason Daimler "merged" with Chrysler: neither company knew how to make mass-market FWD cars, and the mainstream market was booming in the 1990s).

    Internal politics meant there were many back-and-forth moves between Munich and Gaydon in the intervening years, but if you break it down, Munich won the styling and market positioning decision, the office in England did most of the hard work in packaging a usable car into that form, and the Germans insisted on the Chrysler joint-venture Tritec engine rather than using Rover's torquier K-Series family.

    When Pischetsrieder was "resigned" in 1999, Rover lost their champion and BMW took over the project completely just as production was to start, but when you look at the car that launched, most of the design work that survived the long journey to production was done in England. By the time the first MINI was sold, BMW had already sold Rover.

    There's an excellent history in this article:

    https://www.aronline.co.uk/cars/bmw-mini/mini-2/mini-development-story/
     
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    And for the 2nd generation of "new Mini" a lot of work was done in Italy. Only the newest UKL based Mini is a German job.
     
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    Add to the list, the protests in Hong Kong, along with China building empty cities, could be possible then Geely and BAIC might use Dumbler as an emergency exit when China will fall in deeper troubles?
     
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    #1100 77 Monaco Brougham, Jul 24, 2019
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