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Discussion in 'Fiat News & Rumors' started by T_690, Nov 27, 2017.
That's a sharp looking little car.
Wow, much better looking than what I was expecting.
The rear even looks a bit like an Alfa. This will be a homerun in Latin America.
I’m puzzled that these sedans are not manufactured and marketed in Asia. An area where small sedans thrive.
From this pictures it looks great! Problem with such small sedans are the proportions in real life.
Hopefully FCA will wise up and manufacture this and the Argo in India to sell in the Asian market.
It's the sedan version of the Argo. Here is some teaser of the Argo interior. Note in the second pic the Dodge key fob used on the Argo.
Has the right number of pedals. I like it.
Finally Fiat is back to having a competitive and modern vehicle range in Brasil. Now if only they did the same in Europe...
And it they finally started making Fiat SUVs.
For example starting from the "Pandona" long around 4 meters that was being developed.
It is very very likely that: far from this or other related FIAT 'latam' models being made in India for local, and wider Asian sales, FIAT is going to simply be soon withdrawn from India, supplanted instead by 2 or perhaps three new, small Jeep models. FIAT has historically been a very small brand in right hand drive markets (uk, australia, japan, india, thailand, s africa etc) in any case, and its huge Indian presence really is very old dead story in any case when it was huge in India decades ago.
Sad to say, but: there is no financial point or prospect for a peculiarly European-small-citycar type brand in India, however storied and innovative and historic....in (parts of) Europe, and latam: or in China, Asia as a whole ex-Japan, where the Japanese, korean and soon Chinese car firms and brands are and will remain completely unassailable.
FCA is doing the right thing: address the large Asian-sales-lacuna they have historically (both FIAT Group and Chrysler Corp) via Jeep, via Maserati, henceforth via Alfa Romeo, and of course in a sense via Ferrari. Not to mention the large and growing and strong operations of Magneti Marelli, plus as a jv cum technology/shared-components/engines partner for the likes of Tata Motors, and Guangzhou Auto. Potentially, it would appear: even Hyundai, no less (transmissions etc etc?)
The small chance that remains of FIAT local manufacturing continuing into another generation of models in India is imo NOT of the FIAT Cronos+Argo (i.e., latam) variety but as a right-hand-drive export hub for higher, Euro spec and price models like say the 500X or rumoured FIAT cuv 'Pandoma' or likely new FIAT Freemont 5+2-seater. Even that case is very very weak imo, since FIAT unlike Jeep has never had much presence in right hand drive markets ever, let alone now that the Japanese, Korean brands have become so cost competitively dominant in many Asian markets, however humnguous and growth-filled 'Asia' is as a market for automobiles now, even if China is kept out of such calculations.
I think that Fiat is perfectly suited for the Indian market with the Argo and Cronos.
And the 500/500X and other posh models are perfect for Japan. Those asian markets are a great opportunity for Fiat because they like small cars, which is Fiat expertise. If they don't bet on that it is a wasted opportunity.
Yes I agree @Deckard_Cain. I think it was poor product planning and bad marketing. While Jeep has a stronger image compared to Fiat, I can't see Jeep entering the biggest segments in a market such as India which are small hatchbacks and compact sedans. Fiat still is the right brand for these products imo. However they need to get the product and marketing spot on.
wasn't the original Pandona project what became the 500L?
Yes, I thought the "Grande Panda" car was the Ellezero (L0) which was launched as 500L and 500L Living. Marchionne mentioned pre-launch that the company was still deciding whether to launch it in the 500 family or the mainstream FIAT brand until very late.
They should've launched it in the mainstream Fiat brand IMO.
No, is post 500L.
Was mentioned by Alfredo Altavilla or another FCA EMEA manager. I suspect is the "A Jeep" that some wrote about = B european segment.