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Fiat Punto FAILS Euro NCAP Crash Test, Gets ZERO Rating

Discussion in 'Auto News & Rumors' started by Hemidakota, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. Hemidakota

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    What an embarrassment!

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    In a recent report from Euro NCAP, the Fiat Punto has failed to pass the crash test. The upper B-segment hatchback, which has a reputation for having a pretty good build quality, has not only failed the crash test but has received a ZERO star rating. The Fiat Punto that has gone through the latest Euro NCAP tests featured front dual airbags. In spite of having the highly essential safety feature, the hatchback has faired really poorly in the crash tests. With this, the Punto becomes the latest mainstream car in India to join the list of models that have received a big zero from Euro NCAP.

    STORY LINK: Fiat Punto FAILS Euro NCAP Crash Test, Gets ZERO Rating (at http://www.carblogindia.com/fiat-punto-safety-euro-ncap/ )
     
  2. Erik Latranyi

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    The consequences of failing to update a vehicle and milking the public for margin.

    Now, both Fiat and the Punto name have a black mark against them
     
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  3. KrisW

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    Yes, this is very bad for both FIAT and the Punto nameplate.

    The zero-star rating is because the Punto offers no driver safety-assistance technologies as standard, and if you score zero in any category (there are four: Adult, Child, Pedestrian, Safety Assist), the rules of EuroNCAP say that the overall result must be zero too.

    Here's the breakdown (all scores out of 100)

    Adult: 51
    Child: 43
    Pedestrian: 52
    Safety-Assist: 0

    You can believe what you want about why Punto has been left on the market so long, but to European customers, it's the one thing they point at when claiming (wrongly) that FCA spends all its money in the USA and neglects Europe.
     
  4. Lampredi

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    This is perfectly in line with the apparent decision to reposition Fiat as FCA's third-world brand in Europe, which was initiated by the launch of the Tipo.

    Apparently, John Elkann has no love whatsoever for the brand founded by his ancestors, and here we see the results.
     
  5. MJAB

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    With the chime for passenger seatbelt standard, that has not, the score would be 2017 EuroNCAP 2 stars for crash, 3 for child protection and 4 stars for pedestrian protection.
    Since Safety Assist was 0, than the stars are 0.

    in 2005 EuroNCAP had 5 stars, first car to obtain in its segment.

    What is a little bit unusual for EuroNCAP is that a model, that is going out of production, is being tested.

    "...
    Who Decided What Cars Are Tested ?

    Every member organisation of Euro NCAP sponsors the assessment of at least one car model per year. They may choose a vehicle which is of relevance to their own domestic market or one which is particularly important in a certain market segment. In addition, vehicle manufacturers can sponsor their own cars. The process followed is exactly the same for both cases.
    ..."

    Another car that was not expected to be tested last year was Ford Mustang, that received 2 starts (and after improvements 3 stars).
     
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  6. MJAB

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  7. CherokeeVision

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    I personally would view no driver safety assistance technologies a plus!
     
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  8. MJAB

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    With few Fiat Punto would had its stars, even more than 2 with some additional modifications (more expensive) to crash box.
     
  9. T_690

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    And this is a version with just 2 air-bags.
     
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  10. Dan Minick

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    The Punto has been planned to be phased out/replaced for some time now.
     
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  11. Tin Man 2

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    Is the process Political? Picking a car with no seat belt buzzer could have been an intentional way to lower the publics faith in a brand.
     
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  12. KrisW

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    It's not political. EuroNCAP ratings are always for the lowest-specification version of a car that is offered for sale in the Europen market. It's not unusual for a model's score to be revised downward after testing if it's discovered that the tested model was fitted with safety equipment that was optional in other markets.

    The idea behind this is to encourage car makers to make every car as safe as possible, not just the premium trim levels...
     
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  13. T_690

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    That's not true. There was or still are some Korean products with just 2 air-bags in more eastern European countries. Euro NCAP never tested such cars. Why?
     
  14. Dave Z

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    That’s just not true either. They are following a premium strategy with the 500 series, for example. They have the new Tipo which is quite nice.

    Every brand has had to sacrifice for the 2018 net-debt-zero goal. Every one. Ram never got its Daily or Class 8, Dodge had to wait for new Charger and Challenger and Journey, Chrysler had to wait for its new crossovers, Alfa Romeo for two new cars, and presumably Maserati had something put on hold as well. Even Jeep is waiting for the Wagoneer [okay, maybe Jeep is really just waiting for Warren to be renovated]. Gotta make that number!
     
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    This was to be expected. And this negative publicity is well warranted for FCA.
    The Punto is jurassic and was slated to be replaced THIS YEAR. Yet, 2017 goes by and there's no replacement for it!

    This is a freaking embarassment and it just shows the incompetence of Fiat Europe leaders such as Altavilla, who has made multiple statements where he raises doubts about even continuing to have a presence in the segment.
    The sub-compact segment is the biggest segment in Europe by the way. Are profit margins low? Maybe, but then do something DIFFERENT!
    Look at what PSA achieved with the Citroen C3. It was a tremendous success and PSA's profit margins are almost as big as FCA's, even when it is only a strong group in Europe. The C3 is what a 5-door Fiat 500 for the B-segment should've been. Yet Altavilla and Marchionne dragged their feet and now Carlos Tavares ate their pie.

    Fiat's future is very worrisome in every region except Latin America IMO. In Europe their most important models are really old, they haven't launched a compact SUV - the fastest growing segment in Europe - while every other manufacturer as a model in that segment. In India, without a Punto replacement Fiat is also fading from a market where it should be a strong competitor since they have preference for small cars, which are Fiat expertise. They discontinued Fiat in China. What the hell is their plan??
    I believe that FCA management just doesn't believe in the strength of Fiat as a brand. Just like they didn't believe in Lancia. And that's how you see the gradual decline of Fiat.

    Heck, the brasilian Fiat is showing how things should be run. Fiat can be competitive. In Asia focus on selling Fiats built in India in RHD markets. India and Japan are markets where Fiat fits like a glove due to their focus on small cars. The 500 family could be a success in Japan, mini-car with italian design in a country where they're nuts by italian brands. In India release RHD versions of the Argo and Cronos and laugh your way to the bank.
    In Europe, just fucking release new models. A new sub-compact Fiat would increase Fiat sales in Europe by 300k units at least. You're telling me Altavillaand Marchionne can't make a profitable car with those numbers??
    Release also a freaking compact SUV with a 7-seat version and focused on interior space to complement the Compass. Release a 500X restyling. Just do something.
     
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  16. T_690

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    I did't know there is new DS3.
     
  17. Lampredi

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    The current 500 turns 11 years old in a few months, 'nuff said. Does selling a car that old represent a premium strategy?
    Quite nice?! It's a vehicle sourced from Fiat's third-world lineup (which has historically been a lineup distinct from the European lineup), and is competing mainly on price (and no match for the Golf, Focus, Astra, 308, Mégane etc). To add insult to injury, it's made in Turkey. I'm envisioning a scenario in which Altavilla was begging Marchionne for something, anything, to sell in the European C segment, and had to settle for the Tipo (née Aegea), as the alternative was to have nothing.

    I imagine that if there's an attempt in the near future to find a replacement for the Punto in Europe (which may be desirable, cf. the topic of this thread...), then Fiat will merely "pull a Tipo" and source yet another vehicle from its third-world lineup, namely the Argo.
    Apparently (except perhaps Jeep). God knows what will happen with FCA in 2018, I have a really bad feeling about it.
     
  18. Deckard_Cain

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    The C3 has a lot personalization options. Different roofs, different interiors, some cool tech options... And a quirky design. Everything a 500 5-door should have.
     
  19. T_690

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    Execution is cheaper than on Pug 208. IMO, that's not a market for imaginary Fiat 600.
     
  20. Deckard_Cain

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    The Tipo is the car that Fiat can afford to launch. It also follows Fiat tradition of undercutting rivals on price, even if the Tipo has slightly inferior materials and equipment in the interior. Quite frankly, it's not missing much from the cars you mentioned and it undercuts them significantly on price. To be as good as those models, they would have needed to wait for the new Firefly engines and invest significantly more to launch the Tipo, and they wouldn't get more sales because of that.
    The only criticism I make to their strategy is not launching the version with the 7'' infotainment display in the UK. That was a missed opportunity.


    The C3 implemented a lot of the things that a 500 for the B-segment would bring Namely the personalization and quirky design. The C3 is eerily similar overall to quirky italian cars in design.
    And now if Fiat wants to launch a more expensive 5-door 500, they're screwed because the C3 makes it harder to justify a price premium. The 208 may be "better" than the C3 but it is more generic and less distinctive in design and features.
     
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