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Future Product Plans (merged)

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by 24grant24, May 23, 2012.

  1. wilbur

    wilbur Well-Known Member

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    It was a prerequisite that my Ram have a 8.4” display. It came with out navigation which I was ok with.

    It’s been roughly 8 months and to be honest it’s a bit distracting especially with the new distracted driving laws that have gone across Canada.

    My cell now stays in my pocket and texts get pushed to the display. I use voice commands to reply if I have to. The system works fairly well.

    Overall, with out navigation I am not sure I would be in a rush to get another large screen again and would prefer direct physical buttons on the dash.

    love the truck and the light growl from the exhaust that resonates throughout the house every morning.

    Wil
     
  2. jclick

    jclick Well-Known Member

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    I have a question about Regular Cab 1500 Rams. Will there be one using the 2500 updated design?
     
  3. TripleT

    TripleT Allpar Legacy

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    it might be science but it is not exact.... Human are almost infinitely diverse
     
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  4. GasAxe

    GasAxe Well-Known Member

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    We’ve reached a new level of trolling in this thread.:rolleyes: You can still buy a vehicle without touch screens but you’ll likely have to give up some other desirable option. People need to suck it up and make choices or pay the price for customization.
     
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  5. TripleT

    TripleT Allpar Legacy

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    But but but GasAxe the automatic heated seats have to be turned off by touching one button then another..... how will they survive

    This is clearly better [​IMG]
     
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  6. Ryan

    Ryan Moderator
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    Sorry, I don’t care what science or studies say. No part of me wants to reach over and fumble my way around the center stack trying to find tactile differences between buttons while giving the illusion that I’m paying attention to the road. Clearly, even if you are looking at the road that is still going to be extremely distracting.

    I’ll gladly take a quick glance and touch the screen to adjust a control. Like @GasAxe said, you can buy vehicles without advanced touch screens, but you’re going to give up features. I’ll take my creature comforts and a touch screen and I’ll feel safer using it, no matter what the studies or people who aren’t used to technology say.
     
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  7. patfromigh

    patfromigh Well-Known Member

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    That is clearly preferable to the Cadillac CUE and that miserable touchscreen in some Mazdas.
     
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    Its not exclusive to touchscreens. Here's real world example from the touchscreen in my car before and after and the dash of my wifes Outback. Why so many buttons for the climate control neither car has climate control on the screen and I still have to look down at the dash to figure out what the climate control is doing. Much the same, look how many buttons there are on the Honda's Radio. Why? Having lived with the above radio for 10 years, I much prefer the touchscreen.
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  9. Zagnut27

    Zagnut27 Jeepaholic

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    Um...yeah...I’m just gonna leave this here...:p


    View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M1WemnsB98o
     
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  10. GasAxe

    GasAxe Well-Known Member

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    I was think more like this.
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  11. KrisW

    KrisW Well-Known Member

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    The Honda dashboard suffers from a similar design problem: it's nearly impossible to locate the switches by touch. because there are too many of them, and they've been grouped together in blocks with very little margin between. Knowing that you want the third switch along doesn't help you if you're wearing gloves, because you can't feel the gaps between the switches.

    As for heated seats, I find that the best place for the control is a physical dial on the seat itself. This meets the goals of Affordance (user can discover the control) and Context (user knows what is being controlled). It's more expensive, though.

    @T_690 Voice control is indeed a good answer to the problem, and it's one of the reasons why UConnect is the best of the "touchscreen" media systems. The other reason is that UConnect-equipped cars keep the most-used primary controls (radio volume, A/C temperature and flow) on physical buttons. Some of the navigation commands need a little work, especially for POIs, but the voice commands are very good in general: passengers are really impressed when I get the car to play an album of the SD card using voice control (not realising that because the system knows that there's only about 500 possible answers for the album I wanted, it doesn't have to actually decode my speech, only has pick the album whose title is "most like" what it heard).
     
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  12. T_690

    T_690 Well-Known Member

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    But to me it seems like FCA is not good at marketing their infotainment system.

    On the other hand European media is full of praise about new Mercedes MBUX. But I'm not sure what is so special with it. Based on the following video I would not say it's so good:

    View: https://youtu.be/tU8EUJMAq6o?t=1163
     
  13. Tony K

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    Everything is going to the "glass cockpit." Even now, going on a decade, it's an easy shuffle through using buttons on my wheel to check fuel consumption, mileage, compass, oil temp, etc.
     
  14. KrisW

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    @T_690 - there are some nice ideas in MBUX, and I can see the conflict between Mercedes's marketing department ("we need a touchscreen") and its long-running ergonomics and safety R&D group ("touchscreens are a safety risk").

    The praise is mostly for the clever dashboard integration: It's a long time since I've seen a car journalist with any kind of knowledge of engineering, let alone a specialist field like human/machine interfacing. That said, it's a refreshing change from the "Let's make an iPhone" trend that we'd seen in the past (iPhone doesn't even offer a good smartphone control system: why try adapt it to a completely different use-case?). I'm not sure that the user interface is much better laid out than the Marelli system used by BMW and Alfa. (A bit of digging reveals that formerly-Russian software developers Luxoft did most of the software, and Bosch, Xilinx and nVidia are the hardware providers)

    The best thing about the system is the duplicated controls, especially mounting them on the steering wheel. The danger of touchscreens comes from having to visually guide your finger to the correct place. It's easy to glance to confirm that your desired action is selected - and it doesn't take your eyes off the road for any longer than checking your speed would. The icons are clearly differentiated in shape and colour, so you don't need to read captions or look closely to make sure you've chosen the right thin.

    The voice commands are far less impressive. They don't seem to have a wide dictionary behind them: in the video, the Nav should have picked the word "New" out of what the presenter said ("New guidance") and gone with that. Instead, it seemed to be waiting for the exact term that it used in the question ("New route"). Also, every single system that forces you to say "Hey {brandname}" is putting up a barrier to use straight away. "Hey car" would work fine. Of course, just as with Alexa or Siri, if your name happens to be Mercedes, I imagine it makes things a bit weird.
     

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