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Got A '69 Valiant (4dr.) Signet!

Discussion in 'A Body: Duster, Valiant, Dart, etc' started by Volunteer, Nov 9, 2004.

  1. Volunteer

    Volunteer Well-Known Member

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    Hi to all and especially the nice people from the U.S. of A. who are observing the 4th. of July holiday. All the best and stay safe!
    Otherwise not much to update at this time. Lots has been happening but I will keep it short until later. Still unable to upload any pictures but I'm working on it. Computer does have malicious Spyware on it so I'm cautious about opening 'top-secret' files. :ph34r:
    Basically I let my 'guard' down a week or so ago but will get it all 'flushed out' hopefully in a week.
    Signet is still safe in my garage. I removed the NASTY looking rear bumper and peeled off all the shiny tape that was covering up all the damage. Hope to take a pic of it so I can do some repairs and perhaps just paint it until something better comes my way.
    Starting to do the finishing and detailing of the body lines that go along both front doors. I keep reminding myself that this is a $200. car so that way the stress is kept to a minimum and my expectations are within reasonable limits.
    Would be nice to get some nice small-bolt wheels but I'll be lucky to get the car painted by September, let alone by the end of Oct. But, if it IS finished by November, I probably won't subject it to the winter- at least not for the first year. Yes, I know. And if I had a Hemi- E-body, that would likely be parked under a Lexan dome. :wacko: ;)
    So, for now it's just 'status-quo' and I'll carry on with slightly more important aspects of life and look on the positive side of things.
    Once again, have a wonderful 4th. and a great July. ^_^
     
  2. Volunteer

    Volunteer Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Almost four months since last update. That's long, even for me. Not that I haven't been around but it's just that I don't have a lot of time to spend on Allpar, what with my daily priorities always getting in the way. These days I basically have to take time off my sleeping hours to do very much on the internet. -_- .
    First thing I want to mention is that all (our) hopes, prayers and best wishes go out to the unfortunate and totally undeserving victims of the devastating fires throughout the southern California regions. :( Natural and un-natural disasters can occur at any time and at any place. The situation will improve and I hope those affected will get any and all assistance they need or request.
    Today I started the Signet so I could move it to another part of the yard and get it ready to prep and cover for the next 4 months (of winter). Sure miss not driving it. However, there is still much to do. The main areas are the bottom couple inches of each rear Q-panel. These won't be difficult for me but still time-consuming. I want to do it right. As I may have mentioned previously, the 'lines' along the driver's door are going to be formidable for me to perfect. I do lack the best tools for the job but can improvise and get the ridges and angles nearly perfect. Again, it is going to involve Time.
    Still no decent rear bumper. All my referrals and contacts have proven negative. I'll have to get going for sure in the spring. Pretty rough not having a place to do bodywork during the throws of winter.
    Still have the SRT-4 and yes, it's hard to imagine nobody being serious about buying such a (like-new) car for about half of the original value. Of course it's a buyers' market out there but what other (late model) car can give such a combination of performance, economy and FUN for 15 grand?
    Found a very interesting (on-line) auto parts supplier (in Canada and USA). The URL is bestpricecarparts.com. There are a few other links that get to the same site. The Canadian outlet is based in Ontario and also has a warehouse in Richmond BC and a very professional website. I believe the US items are shipped from 11 different states. The prices are very good and the shipping is free for all orders over $75. I ordered a clutch disc (made in USA), a distributor cap and rotor and a fuel filter ( all made in Japan) for my RX7. The total (with tax) came to $82. and everything arrived at my door in a couple days. Very impressive. This is the place where my Mercedes friend ordered a replacement alternator for just over $250. The local dealer wanted $800. :ph34r: He used PayPal and everything, even the core return, went off without a hitch. I also checked some random items and found the pricing very competitive to places such as RockAuto. Of course not all items you may seek will be listed as immediately available but it's worth a try anyway.
    Put some (Husky/Mohawk) gas in the SRT yesterday before a 130 mile day-trip and noticed that the usual selection of 87, 89 and 92 octane had been replaced by 90 and 94. The prices were $.999 and and $1.139 respectively (per liter) or $4.53 and $5.17 per CDN gallon. (160 ounces). I will have to check out the other 5 such (H/M) stations here to see if it's across the board.

    Anyway, better go for now. Lots more to talk about but none of it is related to my Valiant Signet so I will save it for whatever future 'blog'. ;) Take care, one and all and have a great November AND a safe and happy Thanksgiving Day.
     
  3. Volunteer

    Volunteer Well-Known Member

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    Greetings one and all. About time I updated. Some of you may have noticed I'm not logged-in very often these days. (and the rest of you don't care. :lol: )
    Just too many projects and priorities. Hard to believe it's been another 4 months since I've spewed any fresh drivel. Well, true to form, our winter pretty much faded away shortly after last snow on Feb. 9th. Now we (well, the west-coast and south for sure) are safely into spring. Ah, yes, that special time of year called the Equinox when it's skiing in the a.m. and golf in the p.m. After-all, the sun is just as intense as it is in mid-Sept.
    Cars are still 'cocooned' for perhaps a few more days. We didn't get all that much snow all winter, maybe 2-feet total, but it was the consistant temps below freezing for most of Jan. that tend to trigger the proverbial 'cabin-fever'. Now it's time to get outside and do the pruning, etc. but I'm still immersed in basement renos. Not a lot of time to spare each day. In fact, the time I'm taking to update this thread and make a few other posts could have me finishing framing one concrete wall. :(
    Well, the SRT-4 is still here, garaged and insured, since we've had no (seriously) interested enquiries all winter. Hard to believe a car like this cannot sell for $15. G's. Not sure what we'll do in the next while but there are some options once the lease is up in a few days.
    The Signet is still covered as well. Haven't had too many sunny days and the max. temps have been slightly below the average of 55-F. I really hope to get going on finishing off the body. Like I posted previously, the most difficult (or time-consuming) tasks have been restoring affected body lines, primarily on driver's door. I still have to finish the lower/rear quarters. and various 'dings' on the right side.
    Fortunately, as I may have stated before, the floors, trunk, rockers, wheel-lips and roof perimeter are all dry and unaffected. Of course it's the proverbial '$200. car' but I can honestly say that I have enjoyed driving it just as much as any of my previous E-bodies (and I've had plenty of those). The cloth portion of the (cloth/vinyl) seats needs work and the (blue OEM) carpet is almost nasty and then there's the horrible rear bumper. I'd take a pic of it and try to post it but I'm not sure of the procedure.
    Anyway, as soon as I get the (Neon) out of the garage the RX7 will go in for some R&M and then I can get Sig. in there. By that time it'll be well into April with more outdoor stuff piling up.
    So, as we enter another Easter weekend, I look forward to first 'show and shine' on Sunday (with forecast temp in high forties). One of these days I'll get a 'real' job and then hire a nanny. :blink:
    But, seriously, all is well and time is seemingly moving so fast I only wish there were more useable hours in a day. So much to do and so little time. Five hours of sleep each nite kind of catches up with you after a short while. -_- But, the longer daylight hours makes that almost a non- issue. -zzzzzzzz-
    Have a fine Easter holiday to whoever benefits from it and I'll talk to you soon(er).
     
  4. hrmwrm

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    just joined here, and came across this thread. i too have a 69 valiant signet 4dr. i just stopped driving it about a month ago. i bought it in 99 for $300 with 22,999.9 miles on it. i've been driving it steady since 2000. it now has 67,000 on it. front quarter has a ding, and left rear where a kid hit me 6 years ago.(got $800 for the damage) still nothing rusted through, although the front quarters are starting between the wheels and doors. i used it as my work car, as the interior started to disentigrate as soon as i started using it. started missing just before i parked it. needs plugs and maybe points. i've only put a pinion seal in to get it going in 2000, then in 2003 i had to do brakes, and a ball joint. replaced the head after a valve burnt, and replaced the alternator, 2 sets of points, and spark plugs once. finally on it's third set of tires since bought. sea foam green, 225ci auto, manual everything else. not even a radio as they were an option. it was plugged in, but it even started and took me to work one -52C morning this past winter. it let me down once about 5 years ago and had to be towed. points went after i filled up with gas and restarted it. underside is in great shape. might garage it and restore it.
     
  5. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    Convert your Valiant to Mopar electronic ignition; I believe you can even get the kit from a Chrysler dealer still.
     
  6. Dave Z

    Dave Z It's me, Dave
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    Volunteer, we should really assemble all your posts here and some photos and make a page on your Valiant over at valiant.org!
     
  7. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    +1

    This thread I just 'had' to pin/save; shall we say :)
     
  8. patricklynch

    patricklynch Happy R body St. Regis driver, blissed out Plymout

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    +1. A good upgrade. I think it's still available for the Leaning Tower of Power aka The Slant Six.
     
  9. hrmwrm

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    i actually kinda like the old point ignition. if the rub block ever wears down, maybe i'll change it then.
     
  10. Volunteer

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    You're the Man. :rolleyes:

    Howdy again, everyone.
    Normally I would suggest that I get off my 'duff' and do some work on the Signet and update such progress on a more regular basis, at least more often than every four months.
    When I logged in a half hour ago it showed that I hadn't been here since May 30. I think that's about right. Having said this, with so much else on the go and so little time in each and every day, it's becoming a 'luxury' (for me at least) to read and post on these Allpar Forums. I've had some contact by email but not nearly as in the past. It's nice to see that some of you are still interested and even mildly supportive. It would be nice to hear more about other such Valiants, just like the post from (hrm wrm) on July 3. Recently I was hemming and hawing about perhaps finding a (nother) good home for my B7 Signet but that has calmed down. So, as of today, it still sits covered with about 80% of the body done and sealed. As I mentioned before, there are issues with the driver's door in order to get the nasty factory lines as correct as possible. I have yet to do the bottoms of each rear quarter but it only affects the lower one-inch of metal. Still, it all must be fabricated with the inner panel and the bottom flat flange portion. The right/rear has a mild crease and several small dings so will take longer to do. Underneath there's some metal at the right-rear shackle/torque-box area in need of 'enhancing'. I will take some pics before I start so they will be in a folder for easy access, however, I still have no idea how to post such pics on these threads. I sincerely hope that it doesn't involve creating a web account.
    On the same topic, I've noticed another (four-door) 1970? Signet parked (several times) only a couple blocks away from me at the casino lot. I'm pretty sure it belongs to an employee. Of course I never have a camera with me but I'll try to make a point of it next time. It's a dark green colour with no rust and only one or two visible dings so gives the impression of the paint being around 10 years old. There are (small-bolt) aftermarket alloy wheels and, as I suspected, the backup lights are located in the bumper itself, as opposed to the pre-'70 models which employed them in the taillight lense. So, I could possibly replace my nasty rear bumper with a later model but would need the coinciding solid red lenses as well. Ah, the possibilities are becoming endless. I only need more TIME! (or at least the nanny that Bearhawke promised me over a year ago.) ;)
    As usual, when I started the Valiant after its' 6-month seasonal hiatus, it started normally and idled smoothly after less than 3 seconds of cranking. Like always, I just pre-fill the carb (via the vent pipe) with about 4 ounces of fresh gas and then 'squirt' it a couple times by working the throttle. There are still a few (old) gallons of fuel in the tank, likely purchased when the price was much lower than today's $6.50 (per CDN) gallon, or $1.435 per liter. sigh.
    Moving right along, I also have nothing against the (primitive) factory point setup. On the longer trips I make sure to put the complete (stock) distributer in the trunk. With such a low performing and low revving engine, the realistic gains by switching to electronic may be minimal, but the biggest improvements would be ease of maintenance and overall reliability.
    I again thank you all for your continuing interest and hope to continue this topic as long as I'm physically able to. :wub:
     
  11. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    To import pictures to Allpar (or any other account that accepts them); you will need another website. I used Fotki for mine. I believe a small account is free but to have lots of picture storage you are looking at about $50 a year.......which to me is well worth the money. :)

    Click on the 'Insert Image' icon in the toolbar directly above the posting window then copy/paste in the link for your photo website; it was trial and error till I got it right. If you could have a 12 YO kid (they know more than us 'old' guys :p) walk you through the process, you will be fine :)

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    1967-68 VE Valiant SW
     
  12. Volunteer

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    Wow! I can't believe this worked. I tried it myself after posting the address first. ^_^
    The link on the bottom also gets you there but lots of unrelated stuff. Thank-you for looking and thanks to Bearhawke for his advice and talent. Umm, it actually took me only 5 minutes to succeed, not 4 months. :eek:

    You, yours and everyone else have a great Thanksgiving. :)


    Signet as of Nov.15-2008
     
  13. Trailmaster

    Trailmaster Move Over Plymouth Aproaching Rapidly

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    Memmm-O-Reees!

    I had a 68 Valiant Signet in the same color blue in the late 90s. It was my first slant 6 and was given to me by my boss when I was a tow truck driver. He had tried to sell it for several years but nobody was interested in an old 4dr, so he gave it to me because he hated to scrap a car that was that nice looking. The interior was deteriorating some, but was all there, and there wasn't any rust or dents when we got it. The car was my wife's grocery getter and kid hauler for several years, and try as she might, she never could kill the slant six. I probably should have never sold it, but I didn't have a place to park it once we got the Trailduster, and I had to take her out of it because she kept hitting curbs, and tore up every small patern wheel I could find in Colorado. 30x10.5 15 inch tires go over curbs that eat 13 inch wheels. Between that car and my current 74 Duster with a slant 6, I really feel bad that I passed on so many nice A bodies in the past because they didn't have a V8. As for the "road testing" you talked of in your first posts, I must say that my Duster starts getting light at 75 mph, and is a real chore at that speed in a cross wind, but the 4 door body stayed pretty stable up to 95 mph.

    After I got rid of the car I found a guy that had a set of adaptors that would allow mounting large pattern wheels, will look to see if I can still find him. Also there is a classic wrecking yard near here that might have a rear bumper, will check that out for you next time I go there.

    Thanks for posting, I enjoyed the trip down memory lane.

    01/20 update, I went to the salvage yard today, Hollander interchange says 67-69 Valiant all, 70-71 Demon and Duster are all the same. Also says 70-73 Valiant 4dr will fit but have backup lites. They think they have a couple, will take some digi pics and get them to you if they do.
     
  14. Volunteer

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    Thank-you very much, Trailmaster, for the reply and the email.
    As of today I am still 'searching', although there are higher priorities in my life these days. :) I hope to get going on the remainder of the body work by mid-March but will likely have to wait until after the pruning of my apricot tree. :blink: Ah, yes, the inevitable yard-work. Nothing to do outside now (as I await the belated spring-thaw) but never-the-less too cold to work in the garage.
    I didn't know about the early Duster bumpers being the same but I would then wonder what makes the '72 any different. I know a change was made in '73 when the 'shock-mounted' units came in. It's hard enough to find a bumper in any condition, let alone 'presentable'. I'll try to find a pic of what I now have, or at least email it to anyone who wishes to get seriously nauseated. :lol: I didn't think of taking some bumper pics last November and including them on my regular Valiant (photoshare) page. duh.
    Oh, and I'm still interested in the small bolt rallyes also. I sold my ('70-SE) Rear Finish Panel for a fair sum and have $ sitting in PayPal.
    Have a good March, guys.

    EDIT: okay, here goes. Only three but there are more. You get the idea. :wacko:

    bumper
     
  15. Trailmaster

    Trailmaster Move Over Plymouth Aproaching Rapidly

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    Ugly!

    I only found one that would be any better, but it's bent some and as for shipping from Colorado to BC I have no idea. Apparently the rear bumpers on old A bodys must have a hard life. because there are a lot of them that are mangled pretty bad.
     
  16. Volunteer

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    Hard to believe another month has come and gone. Finally starting to warm a little. I really hope to get going on the Signet soon but with so much else happening and only 24 hours in a day it can be a real challenge.
    I have had limited success with finding some small-bolt rallyes. I prefer to get the bare wheels and then buy new (repro) center pieces for about $50. each (CDN). Trim rings are scattered all over the place, none are perfect, but they are also available through aftermarket. If anyone has tips or advice or links, let me know.
    I have some more items on eBay, albeit not too valuable, and any profits will go into the Signet fund. I just shipped out a pair of Strombergs and intake from mid-seventies TR7 to guy in Cairo. :blink: (collect shipping).
    I want to get the Signet's engine out so I can prep and paint the whole area under the hood and then do a basic rebuild. The rebuild kit plus timing set will cost between $150. and $200. As I may have mentioned very early in this thread topic, the cyl. head was professionally done only a couple hundred miles before I got the car.
    On the way back from recent car show I took a couple pics of a local '70 Valiant. The link below should provide some more info. :)

    Other Valiant
     
  17. Trailmaster

    Trailmaster Move Over Plymouth Aproaching Rapidly

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    What wheels are you looking for when you say ralleyes? I helped a friend clean out his barn the other and he had a couple extra wheels to fit his 71 Demon and said he might part with them if the price was right. They are silver and had a trim ring and center cap originaly, but I'm not sure if they are what you want or not.

    Still haven't had any success finding a bumper around here that's not bent up, but will keep looking.
     
  18. Volunteer

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    The Class 1 rallyes are the argent ones with center pieces and trim rings. The small bolt version was available optionally in 1970 thru '72 and used the 'Mexican Hat' style centerpiece, with lighter argent in '70 and darker argent in '71. All Class 1 wheels switched to the wider, flatter centerpiece design in '72 thru '74, with the ('73-'74) A-B-E body versions being of the large bolt pattern, with the '72 A-body still being smaller.
    The other (optional) wheel available was the Styled/Magnum 500 but was only marketed in the 4.5" bolt pattern, for Mopars and Fords. The Mopar versions ran from '67 thru '74 and were either 5.5" or 6" wide with both sizes having either trim rings or 'chromed/no rings'. Sadly, there were NO 15-inch versions (as OEM on Mopars).
    Ford, on the other hand, marketed a Chromed 15 by 7" (as seen mostly on '69? thru '73 Mustangs) and a more common 14 by 7", that used a trim ring, 2" center cap and had argent painted spokes and black insets. I managed to locate 5 of these (14 by 7") wheels in a junk yard about 10 years ago to use on my '74 Challenger. They were common options on many models such as LTD's, Montegos, Granadas and Torinos thru the seventies. I gathered nice, used trim rings later and bought new Mopar style center caps. It took some time to detail them but ALL 5 wheels only cost me $35., the rings about $50. and the new center caps (at 1999 prices) $100. for 4.
    I'll try to dig up a picture.
    Oh, and a friend has a full set of the 15 by 7's on his '68 300 and they look really sharp.
     
  19. Trailmaster

    Trailmaster Move Over Plymouth Aproaching Rapidly

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    I know these aren't the magnum 500 style so they must be the other ones, I'll see if I can get pictures and price on them for you. There are two of them, they are just the bare wheels with no center caps or trim rings, and have old tires on them, but I can get the tires removed for cheaper shipping.
     
  20. Volunteer

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    Hey, guys. Just a short note to say I'm still alive and well and super busy. I haven't been logged-in for almost a month. Just a typical hot summer and record-setting July. We had 13 days that were above 95-F. and virtually no precip. Total to date for this year is less than 4 inches. :eek:
    Yeh, I know, Bearhawke and some others are saying " your point being - - -" :lol:
    Anyway, still too many vehicles around and none insured. Put the '73 Challenger into major car show last week. Now working on maintainence and tune-up on '77 Power Wagon. It has '69 (heads never off) 383 on gas that I may switch back to propane in Sept. One good reason is that our regular (90-octane) gas is $1.06 per liter and propane is under $0.65. Do the math. Multiply by 3.78 to get price per U.S. gallon or by 4.54 to get price per CDN gallon. Truck won't be driven much but it's full-time Four W.D., auto., 3.54/3.55 gears and common 235 tires.
    It needs more bodywork than the Signet and likely weighs twice as much. And, speaking of same, I do hope to get more work done on the Valiant from Sept. into Oct. There is still the lower, rear quarters and misc. dings on the uppers on both sides. I am still in the market for seat upholstery, carpet and (of course) the rear bumper. I was considering the conversion to P.S. but the jury is still out because the present (light-weight, aluminum) box is in good shape and the effort to steer, even at low speed, is not an issue. My biggest 'beef' with this box is the over five turns 'lock-to-lock' which is a nuisance at best and I'm sure there are a few of you who can concur with this.
    Yes, as I said before, the weather has also speeded up the garden stuff. Too many cukes and early tomatoes and the cantaloupes are now ripening and also plentiful. It's going to be a good summer for most but no way to predict what, if any, shortages this winter.
    Only 3 weeks to start of kindergarten so that is sure to keep me busy. So many outside activities and so many things to do in and around the home. Ah, yes, and only 2 months until the possible first snow flakes. :cry:
    Finally, I am still seeking out the 331 filter (block piece to cannister) adapter, as I have posted on the Parts Wanted thread. Thanks, guys. :)
     

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