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Hyundai could become world’s No. 1 with FCA merger: report

Discussion in 'Rumors and Speculation' started by Hemidakota, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. Mopartial

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    Amen, amen. Many likes and thanks.
     
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  2. KrisW

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    ... and Hyundai-Kia's profits from those vehicles?
     
  3. con383

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    FCA is just as vulnerable in the U.S !! should the sales in N.A tank!! Its happened too many times and still no solution to keep them selves above water. they need to make their vehicles available world wide and stop basing their success in one market . Toyota and nearly all foreign makes have !.
     
  4. KrisW

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    "Chrylser LLC" was vulnerable to the US; FCA isn't. There are three major markets for FCA: Latin America, Europe, and North America. Economic conditions in the last decade have been poor in all except North America, but that has changed, with Europe recovering quickly, and LATAM picking up too. (Its historic weakness in Asia may help FCA as China slows down - some car makers had relied on Chinese profits to cover unprofitable operations in other regions)

    While there are a few "global" volume offerings (Jeep, for instance), each of those markets has its own products, tailored to that market, because being a global company doesn't mean selling the same products globally.

    You mention Toyota, but do you know that Camry and Highlander are US-market products for Toyota, with limited sales outside of North America? I live in Toyota's best European market, and I cannot get either of these vehicles from Toyota. And here's Ford's European model range - how many do you recognise? Cars (at https://www.ford.co.uk/cars?intcmp=other:nwp:hp:sticky-notes::build-price&gmbxtid=target-test:nwp:gux:mvt:hp:sticky-notes-nav:control:sticky-note:build-price# )

    Sharing costs across markets isn't the same as sharing products across markets. We've had endless threads about how FCA Europe's models don't sell in the USA, but each of those FIATs is a successful model in Europe, and two are segment leaders. Similarly, you could decide to offer Chrysler and Dodge's models in Europe, but you should expect the kind of sales that FIAT USA returns.
     
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    FCA is still vulnerable to the US market. Just look at revenue and profit sources.
     
  6. Mike V.

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    Agreed, and to go a step further, I don’t think any US manufacturer is not vulnerable at this time. Anything can happen, as we are seeing in other industry.

    Mike
     
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    Accent/Fit/Fiesta/Versa/Sonic/Yaris/XXXX <-- Subcompact
    Elantra/Civic/Focus/Sentra/Cruze/Corolla/Dart <-- Compact
    Sonata/Accord/Fusion/Altima/Malibu/Camry/200 <--Mid size
     
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    Of course they are and so are all of the other automakers with a large presence in the US.
     
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  9. JavelinAMX

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    Even Food, as such, isn't Global.

    Proverb : " One man's meat is another man's poison"

    Global is a funny end-game. It's thought to work. By plan it should. Summary tracking over time might be interesting to read.

    Was told by a former Ford engineer that they were largely responsible at the root for the multinational push beginning in the mid-1960's for parts-sharing between Ford USA and Ford Europe. At the start was just one Nut which fit products on both sides of the Pond. So, that's what they did as a start - multiplied production to fulfill expected total demand and for spares. Then they sought to make parts which could be used by various products in both the Euro zone and the USA. Fast-forward to today. It's beyond exponential.

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  10. JavelinAMX

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    The lights are on, and product continues to be made and sold :)
     
  11. Dan Minick

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    Accent shares platform with i20 / Kia Rio.

    The i30 / Elantra / C'eed / Forte are Golf/Focus class.
     
  12. DAGAR

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    Much is the case with any company even those in bankruptcy until liquidation. That really doesn't answer the posed question at all. :rolleyes:
     
  13. KrisW

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    General Motors lost money on its European operations every single year since 2000. During that time, they were never out of the top five auto makers on the continent, by sales.
     
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    In a marketplace sense, maybe, but clearly not vulnerable to the whims of the US government?
     
  15. Thom Paré

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    Every car company does this.
     
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  16. Mike V.

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    Absolutely true. There is a great story about Honda purchasing a Porsche 911 GT3 to use as a comparison test vehicle for the benchmarking and development of the new NSX. Well the 911 was subject to a recall and Porsche realized who actually owned the car... word got around quick and Porsche reps left a message under the bonnet for the boys over at the Honda dynamics center.

    Good fun and a great story.

    Mike
     
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    I see the same dynamic everywhere I do work: Mexico, US, Canada, Brazil... Chevrolet is a top-4 brand in sales in every market, although the brand metrics don't support those levels of sales. They chase volume very aggressively, willing to discount beyond the competition to capture more than its share.

    Chevrolet is worse than Chrysler when to comes to renaming models, having to start from scratch in many segments every 5 or 10 years. But at least they are not as quick to vacate it completely.
     
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    O, but it does.

    You actually do need the doors open, the administration administering, and the machinery cranking to move your goods.

    From what I could gather, H/K clocked very similar Margin as FCA for MY2016 .

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  20. JavelinAMX

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    How cool is that?

    I noticed before that the rear cabin appeared to be more properly designed for people with a longer frame. Randy Probst confirms, which is nice to know.

    It shares some DNA with the K900. Interesting. I've liked what I've seen from a distance with respect to the K900.

    Looks quite promising.

    Thanks, RedriderBob -

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