Who says you can't have a minivan and off-road capability in the same vehicle: (some Toyota monstrosity) I for one would love to be able to have a 3-row Jeep (Grand Cherokee or Wagoneer, although naming it Grand Cherokee or some derivative of that makes no sense to me) that had exceptional off-road ability. It would be nice to retire my Liberty in favor of a vehicle that meets ALL of my family's needs. Unfortunately as of now, none exists no matter how much I wish it to be so. Wish in one hand, crap in the other...see which fills up first. What I don't want, or need, is a rebadged Durango with a "trail rated" badge plastered on the side. I'll end up paying more for it, and it still won't meet my needs.