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Jeep Grand Commander?

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Dave Z, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru!
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    The Commander was a great vehicle... I only had one compliant... narrow narrow tires. But I enjoyed the one my ex had on long trips.

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  2. MJAB

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    2018 Subaru Outback
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  3. page2171

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    That is pretty unfortunate.
     
  4. Erik Latranyi

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    I had a Commander as well and really loved it. The fuel economy hurt it because gas prices spiked at that time. But I never owned a vehicle that got more compliments than my Commander.

    Also, resale values show that the Commander is still highly desirable.
     
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  5. valiant67

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    If they have to have a long nose to meet crash standards, how do other companies design cars without such long noses that still meet the standards?
     
  6. KrisW

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    Length of the nose has very little to do with crash standards; it's to do with where the engine is located in relation to the front axle. A V6 is wider than an inline engine, so needs more space fore-and-aft of the front axle when used in a transverse layout (KL is transverse/ "East-West"). The requirement to accommodate a transverse V6 is what gives KL and its variants such a long nose. Years ago, someone here posted a CAD drawing showing just how far forward the Pentastar sits in KL.

    Subaru, like Audi, uses a longitudinal ("North-South") layout, but the practicalities of their AWD systems mean that the engine must sit forward of the front axle, so they end up with cars with a long overhang too, but for a different reason. (In traditional RWD cars, and also in Wrangler, the engine sits behind the front axle, which is why these have shorter front overhang)
     
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  7. Judas Shuttlesworth

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    Survival is always a plus in my book.
     
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  8. DAGAR

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    I was about to respond when I saw @KrisW response flash across the screen. He has it exactly right. The only thing I'll add is that once the locations are set for engine and trans-axle, then additional overhang may need to be added to provide additional crumple zone structure to meet certain specific situations like small front overlap... Bottom line is that the overhang is generally due to factors other than crash safety.
     
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  9. unverferth

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    I loved the Commander too. The styling emulated the XJ Cherokee in many ways. Just another vehicle Chrysler could have evolved to make better.
     
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  10. valiant67

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    Just like when we were told the blockiness of the LX cars and the high belt lines were for safety reasons when they were styling choices.
     
  11. redriderbob

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    Funny you would say that...

     
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  12. DAGAR

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    The high belt-lines were also a weight saving effort - the large expanses of glass in LH cars was extremely heavy. Many people don't realize that steel as used in body panels is much lighter than glass and the LX needed all the weight saving help it could get given it's size, drive architecture and in many case a nice big V8! :D
     
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  13. TripleT

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    Unusable 3 row seat..... The whole point of it was to be a Third row Grand Cherokee but the 3rd row was useless the Journey had more room. So one can discuss the Merit of XJ styled Grand Cherokee but it primary role was a failure.
     
  14. aldo90731

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    As another video showed, Subaru has a front bumper disconnect that adds clearance. :cool:
     
  15. aldo90731

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    Chrysler Mutineer :D
     
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  16. Erik Latranyi

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    No, its primary role was a test of Flex Manufacturing.......and it was a wild success.

    Its market performance was a failure as it cannibalized Grand Cherokee sales in an almost perfect 1-for-1 unit fashion.
     
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  17. aldo90731

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    Personally, I never saw much particularly wrong with Commander.

    It could very well by that Jeep was simply unable to slot anything above Grand Cherokee, just like Toyota was unable to sell Cressidas no matter how hard it tried.

    We will have to wait and see.
     
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    You mean, like sh*tty designers...? :D
     
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    The Chrysler INDY "I'm Not Dead Yet"....
     
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  20. Dave Z

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    The bumper disconnect is clever. I don't know if the angles of the Jeep makes that irrelevant or not.
     

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