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Jeep Grand Wagoneer Spy Photos Show Full-Size Proportions

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Polish Don, Nov 25, 2019.

  1. Dave Z

    Dave Z It's me, Dave
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    That seems awfully recycled. We KNOW it's based on the Ram, and I'll swear I've seen those pics.
     
  2. tomaz

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    This is the 1st shots of the Wagoneer that doesnt look like a RAM. Other shots have been of the Grand Cherokee.
     
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  3. Adventurer55

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    Notice the six lug rims, this is definitely new Ram based SUV.
     
  4. dakrt99

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    My guess, 2022MY.
     
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  5. voiceofstl

    voiceofstl Well-Known Member

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    Having it on a fullsize truck body is the wrong way to go.
     
  6. KrisW

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    Remember that there's a unibody 3-row Grand Cherokee coming and that will bridge the gap between GC and GW. For a utility vehicle of the size of Grand Wagoneer, body-on-frame is the most appropriate construction method. Towing is going to be a big customer requirement for this, and with a BoF construction it's easier to reach a higher towing rating.

    The big disadvantages of BoF are poor cornering (high center of gravity) and high fuel consumption (additional weight). I'll say the first doesn't matter very much in a vehicle like GW, and the second can be addressed with hybrid-electric assistance: FCA knows customers really want a big Jeep, but it also knows that CAFE hasn't gone away either - electrification is how it will square that circle.
     
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  7. Adventurer55

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    It may square the circle, but it's going to have to be better then what's offered on Rams now.
     
  8. wtxiceman

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    Its the black cladding.:D:D:D
     
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  9. KrisW

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    A two-box SUV will have better aerodynamics than a pickup: that open bed is a real drag on the vehicle. GW will also come with the next generation of "eTorque" systems, more like Pacifica's on-transmission motor than the 1500's BSG system. Doing that allows faster operating speeds - 1500's was designed primarily to get the vehicle moving under heavy load, something that's really useful for a pickup truck; a passenger vehicle like Wagoneer would need to use a different approach, including a pure-EV mode that could run at street speeds.
     
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  10. Adventurer55

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    You know I went back and read my post. My comment was made toward the electric part of the quote, not the handling part. Sorry
     
  11. Ryan

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    Then let's hear your opinion on what the appropriate platform for this vehicle would be.
     
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  12. MoparMantis

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    I just want it built.
    I know there have been a few issues with the 3.0 diesel in the past, but I would still have to put it in strong consideration. A full size SUV getting around 30mpg sounds great. I'm basing that on the current Ram mileage. That's better mileage than my current Town and Country. I'm also wondering what kind of mileage the 3.0 straight 6 will get. Somewhere between the 5.7 and little diesel.
     
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  13. aaaaaa

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    When will there be more shots
     
  14. Tony K

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    When the auto papparazzi take the photos, or FCA unveils.
     
  15. Tony K

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    From a production standpoint, it may be the most economical way to go.
     
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  16. dennisimperial

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    About 20 years too late...better late than never I guess? Should be a RAM branded product though....
     
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  17. MSwenning

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    Wouldnt make sense as a Ram, not the way the Ram brand is looking to go.
     
  18. Adventurer55

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    There's supposed to be a new Durango based on this. They almost have to do this to justify the investment.
     
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  19. Quambi

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    Perhaps Dave Z can write an article about this closer to the official unveiling. About how this will actually be the 1st full size 4 door BOF from Chrysler. And how Chrysler cancelled their plans to make a full size 4 door BOFs back in the early 2000's (see 1999 Jeep Commander concept).
     
  20. cygnus

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    First generation Durango was body on frame. Wasn't the Aspen body on frame? From what I remember, the packaging for those vehicles was pretty bad though. Packaging in Grand Wagoneer will be fantastic. This is the vehicle I've been nearly a decade for.

    Grand Wagoneer will be a premium product (starting in the 50s) that competes with Tahoe/Escalade/Expedition/Navigator.
     
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