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Maria

Discussion in 'Off Topic But Still Civil' started by Bearhawke, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    Judging by news reports; much of Puerto Rico and most of the smaller islands in the path of Hurricane Maria look almost as bad as Berlin or Warsaw of 1945.
     
  2. DC-93

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    United States territories, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, need help. Why aren't they getting it??
     
  3. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    Agreed.
     
  5. pt006

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    CT, New England, and many other states have been sending food, clothing, medical supplies, and the prez tosses paper towels to them. A few days ago they showed [900] 40' containers of supplies waiting to be unloaded. Just sitting there. Not sure what the problem is, but the people of the United States have been very generous in times of others' needs. Note that Long Island, Rhode Island, and parts of CT suffered immense damage from the hurricane of 1938. Houses disappeared, railroad tracks missing, roads washed away, city blocks burned down, etc. etc. Yet they survived on their own. Over a million trees were blown down. Eventually they were all cleaned up [and without the aid of chainsaws]. The same is true for the people of Galveston in 1906[?]. People were tougher then.
     
  6. pt006

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    Looks like the gulf coast is going to be hit by another hurricane tonight or tomorrow. Good luck and stay safe to all the people down there.
     
  7. Doug D

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    The issue in PR is one of distribution, not that there isn't enough supplies. They've been unable to get the truck drivers to the docks or they are unable to contact them. Plus they still are working on clearing the roads.
     
  8. dana44

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    Yeah, the supplies are there, they just aren't getting distributed. Not wanting to be political, they have what they need for assistance, it's just sitting on the docks and nobody is getting it to the public.
     
  9. Bearhawke

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    In all fairness: unlike Puerto Rico; all of those places you listed it was relatively easy to reconnect broken transportation/communication links. PR: OTOH, it's surrounded by water on all sides.
     
  10. dana44

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    I just saw another news report about PR, that 9300 containers on the docks and ships outside waiting to get into the harbor, but truck drivers, lack of diesel for those 18wheeler trucks, and poor roads is the problem, not supply. It's the distribution side, not the supply side, that is the problem, to which I wish them well in getting things organized properly.
     
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  11. Doug D

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    Again, lack of supplies is not the issue. It's distributing of the supplies to the communities that need them. Authorities don't have enough drivers or cannot contact them. Plus the roads are still blocked in many areas. The alternative is helicopter but unless they have Chinooks only so much can be moved by air. Ultimately, most supplies will have to be moved by ground.
     
  12. Bearhawke

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    No argument there: hence my comment about bad transportation links, not the quantity of supplies at the beginning of the 'supply chain'.
     
  13. dana44

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    Chinook are not the only ones that can haul stuff, the SH-60 is capable of underslinging (just like the Chinook CH-46/47), and can carry a capacity of 2000-2500lbs (at least that is what I saw while on a supply ship, and what Helo Control Officer training taught me, and there are more than 100 helicopters (of various non-combat types) offered as help by President Trump. No, most of the problem is ineptitude, and at worst, for political points (negative ones in my book), but it definitely isn't a supply problem, it is a coordination and distribution problem.
     
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    I thought our military had all-terrain vehicles with drivers? Or are they all in Afghanistan?
     
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    Yep, three army bases the USA uses and a National Guard base. I believe FEMA is using any and all of them in order to help the island, but like I said, coordination with this one mayor is bad, the Governor and other mayors say things are going great, so it was literally an attempt (which worked for a while) at a political smear.
     
  16. Bearhawke

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    'Hell to pay' over water, food deliveries, Puerto Rico governor warns (at http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hell-to-pay-over-water-food-deliveries-puerto-rico-governor-warns/ar-AAtajue?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U270DHP )

    Supplied without comment
     
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    Sometimes we don't appreciate what our prior generations went through. Back then they would have to hand dig holes like 5 or 6 feet deep and hope they didn't hit a boulder. Drag a pole off a truck, paint some tar on the bottom of it, hoist it up with ropes, fill the hole, climb up the pole with spikes on their boots, and pull the wires up with ropes. There were no 'bucket trucks' back then. Nor excavators. Backhoes, not sure. They did have steam shovels [front buckets].
     
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    Kaman makes or made a heavy lift helicopter.

    The governor said things are going great? Last I heard 85-90 % of the island is still without electricity. Cholera and another disease I can't remember the name of is spreading. I don't think the mayors comments are political. More likely said in frustration. It takes time to rebuild after a lot of destruction has occurred. Think of the twin towers.
     
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    Saw some pictures of the island of Dominica [hit by Maria as a cat.5]. Thought it was strange that houses at street level were trashed, yet houses on the side of a hill looked untouched. Hurricanes do strange things. Even a cat 1 ruined the bottom level of a casino and had cars floating around in the parking garage. The mountains of P.R. changed the air currents which changed the amount of destruction for different areas. Location, location, location.
     

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