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Maybe just as well Renault deal didn't work out

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by Beentherebefore, Dec 27, 2019.

  1. Tony K

    Tony K Active Member

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    I'm guessing you didn't buy the Spider for the sound system or the UConnect.

    While that is in general true, with the Spider, it's really as much the niche status as anything, plus being seen as a "Fiata," as much as that is not wholly accurate.
     
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  2. aldo90731

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    Nope. Nor for Fiat's reliability reputation.
     
  3. Mr.Source

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    FIATA Is not selling also because of the price, parts, reputation, services, etc.
     
  4. MJAB

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    The segment of sports cars sales is going down, faster than manufacturers forecasted.
    FCA contract with Mazda for the Fiat 124 is at the end.
    Also the sales of Mazda MX5 (spider and coupè (RF)) and going down.

    Audi in 2019 announced that there will be a new model for the TT.
    BMW introduced the new Z4 (G29, the one developed with Toyota -> Supra) late 2018; mid 2019 there were already rumors that will be not a successor to Z4 ...
     
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  5. Chris mopar

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    I would not be surprised if the 124 comes to an end soon, however that is the only Fiat I like. Even though as an enthusiast I would love to see the 124 re-branded as a Dodge, their is not likely a business case could be made for it.
     
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  6. Tony K

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    And you're going to make sure the world knows it.
     
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  7. aldo90731

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    I think FCA has been doing a wonderful job all by itself reminding everyone that Fiat sucks.

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  8. Tony K

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    Is that even a representative sample of Fiat in global terms? I mean, realistically, no more than Fiat sells in the US, and whatever peculiarities of US models, how realistic is it to even rate Fiat US?
     
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    At the current trends, Fiat will eventually drop out of the US JD Power ratings when the sales volume falls low enough.
    But in reality, what matters in the US market is how Fiat is rated here, not how it is rated worldwide.
     
  10. aldo90731

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    Why do I feel we have gone down this road before.

    These are the other 2019 VDS rankings I was able to find - Germany and UK: Fiat is 2nd from the bottom on both.

    At least they are consistent... :)

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  11. Mr.Source

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    No further comments with you.
     
  12. Tony K

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    About like BMW apparently. What's more telling is the inconsistencies across models in by-model comparisons. I know one thing, if lived in Germany and I was buying a new luxury car, it would be an E Series. If I were to buy a midsize, it would be the Opel Insignia.
     
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  13. Zagnut27

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    For the CSI study, from the top down to Jeep, it's only a 54 point difference. (Ram and Fiat are farther down). That doesn't seem like a huge difference between the brands from basically the top to the bottom (once again, excluding Ram and Fiat). Or am I missing something here?
     
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  14. 77 Monaco Brougham

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    That's easy...Because we HAVE!

    In the words of the dearly departed Grand Old Sage of the Baseball Diamond, Yogi Berra: "It's like de ja vu all over again!":D
     
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  15. aldo90731

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    Yes, the pattern: Fiat is always at the bottom.

    No matter if it is PP100, a CX Index, 2019, 2018, loyalty or sales data, leave it to Fiat to always find the surest way to the bottom.
     
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    So does that mean they're really good at being really bad? But, that came be the case because they always find their way to the bottom. Unless being good at being bad is ranked from good to bad with good being at the bottom and bad being at the top. o_O:confused::D
     
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  18. Tony K

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    Everybody in a tenuous relationship talks about divorce until they find out about the cost. Then they have to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.
     
  19. Adventurer55

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    As a person that's been down that road, money isn't as important as one's well being and sanity. If this is their relationship going forward, years of mistrust, and misery, write the checks and get out while you're still whole.
     
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  20. aldo90731

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    Auto News reported today that the French government is going to look into a charge that Mr. Ghosn used the Versailles Palace for a private party, and then stuck Renault with the bill.

    I still think that it’s only a matter of time until the French get him out of Lebanon and bring him to face justice in Paris.
     
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