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Neon returning as stopgap?

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by AdminDave, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. AdminDave

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  2. npaladin2000

    npaladin2000 LOAD "*",8,1

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    It could definitely work if they make the right decisions. Question is, do you use the name "Neon," which has a relatively positive history here, or "Chrysler 100," which is a new name?

    Could make a nice commuter/highway car with ther 1.4L turbo and a PROPERLY tuned 9-speed automatic. Plus a nice uConnect.
     
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  3. valiant67

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    Please, no 1.4T engine.
     
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  4. TripleT

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    Makes sense, everyone else is leveraging a global car in this class... not a NA specific.
     
  5. Rick Anderson

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    Since its a rebadged Fiat Tipo, used as a stop gap measure until the "Chrysler 100" comes along, I'd think it would be a mistake to name it the "Chrysler 100". If its a failure it will saddle the upcoming "100" with a bad reputation.

    I don't know, seems like the Dart had more invested in it and it didn't sell. Why would a vehicle with less developed and invested in, do better than the Dart? Just because they name it Neon?
     
  6. Rick Anderson

    Rick Anderson Well-Known Member

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    What's up with the 1.4T engine? Doesn't perform well? Too expensive for a entry level class vehicle? Too unreliable?
     
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    Pretty much all of the above. It's adequate in a car the size of the 500, overworked in the Dart and 500L. A search of the problem areas for Darts tends to show the 1.4t pops up a lot as an issue. And it's a premium fuel engine or performance and economy drop off. Cost of a tune up (primarily just spark plugs) was a big factor though costs of the plugs have come down - and, unless it's changed, they are 30k mile plugs.
     
  8. suzq044

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    Most people consider it unreliable due to early issues with the clutch and some turbos needing replacement, and because it has turbo lag, they think it's slow. I quite enjoyed my Dart. Then again, it was a stick.

    If you can find a non diesel turbo that doesn't recommend higher octane fuel, I will be impressed. It's not a requirement. That said, you're right about the plugs, they were a bit much for a low cost entry vehicle owner to have to eat the cost of.


    Also, did the new 4-banger engines hit a snag or something? They should (IMO) have been out by now.
     
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  9. Rick Anderson

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    The plugs themselves are very expensive, or the labor to do a plug replacement since the plugs are buried under other equipment is what raises the cost?

    I helped a friend change plugs on a Ford Explorer V-6, we had to remove the upper plenum of the intake manifold to get access to half the plugs. Easier than I would imagine, so they do some engineering to improve the situation, but still, it shouldn't be that hard to change the plugs.
     
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    Cost of the plugs plus the labor. I think the cost of plugs has dropped.

    I know most turbos require premium fuel. That's why as an entry level car, a turbo motor isn't the best choice.
     
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  11. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator

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    Agreed... and no DCT. The 1.4 will be phased out anyway but just don't bother using it here.

    Oh and it needs to be a Chrysler, not a Dodge.

    Mike
     
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    in europe, this engine is considered quite bullet proof. Just saying.
     
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  13. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator

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    I prefer they not use the name Neon.

    Mike
     
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  14. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator

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    Unfortunately the engine did not do well in the US when placed in heavier vehicles like the Dart.

    Mike
     
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    The 1.4 was not well tuned for NAFTA, they could have 10 HP less and more torque at lower rpm.

    They can use any engine - transaxle combination that can be used in the Small family of architecture. In the Ram Promaster City they use the 2.4 + 9 speed automatic. If they built it at Tofas plant the logistic, tools, ... for 2.4 engine/9 speed automatic are already in place.
     
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    BobbiBigWheels The "Front-Line" Perspective

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    Looking forward to having a mid-size sedan to show to clients! Since incentives have been removed, a new 200 LX (base) is just shy of $30k CAD, and a Dart SE (base) is just shy of $20k CAD. One of these has power windows, door locks, mirrors, keyless entry, air conditioning, and a 9 speed automatic transmission. The other is $10k less.
     
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    The nice part is the 2.4L/9-speed auto is already ubiquitous. The downside is that it doesn't get great FE, and the 9 speed has aquired an iffy reputation. At least with the small turbo, it could be re-tuned to generate more low-end torque.
     
  18. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator

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    This won't be a midsize, it will be a compact.

    Mike
     
  19. jam1

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    Wonderful news! Also, many dittos on it being a Chrysler. FCA, please be careful with this one...... critical part of the line up!!
     
  20. BobbiBigWheels

    BobbiBigWheels The "Front-Line" Perspective

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    In that case, we still don't have a mid-size sedan!
     
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