Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by 12soldier, Sep 3, 2020.
Great job, suzq. That sure makes an awesome difference. Ralph needs to see this.
This looks really good! Hope FCA is looking here.
We can always hope things bet better for the released version. Production Neon was going to drop the concept's round headlights for traditional rectangular ones and fortunately that idea was stopped by strong reaction from those who viewed the concept.
Unfortunately I doubt very much that anyone at FCA comes here anymore.
I think overall the wagoneer went for a too safe of a design to appease as many people as possible. It's gonna get lose in the seat of fullsize suv in anything but a special color if/when they decide to do them. I know a full size suv is not for me or even trying to get me but out of all the ideation sketches, I saw those looked way better than this production model and even concept. Proportions are off and it feels too top-heavy. At least other full size suv have tweaked proportions so it doesn't feel like they're gonna tip over at a moments notice
That looks much better. I also liked the photoshop you did where the rear window line was fixed as well.
That is great, suze! That extra detail makes so much difference over the bland boxiness of the concept.
What I don't get is they were half way there... why didn't they complete it?
What's even worse is that the PHEV version is going to be using the GME-T4 4xe Setup (which is too underpowered for the Wagoneer). Despite the fact that it would make more sense to use a 5.7 HEMI V8 PHEV setup (until the GME-T6 finally arrives) instead, especially when said PHEV version is going to be on the heavy side (even by Full-Size SUV standards)
Regardless, its clear that FCA is trying to make the Wagoneer the slowest in its class.
To be fair, that class isn't about the fastest you can go, and that's just a single option.. and probably for mpg, not anything more. So they can claim a big mpg number when properly equipped.
The "Slowest in its Class" comment was applied to the proposed Wagoneer Engine Range in general; not just the PHEV Version. For example:
The 3.6 Pentastar V6 has 60 less bhp & 123 less lb-ft than the EcoTec3 5.3 L V8 (as used in the Tahoe/Suburban & Yukon), 80 less bhp & 210 less lb-ft than the "Standard" 3.5L Ecoboost V6 (as used in the Expedition) and 88 less bhp & 210 less lb-ft than the 3.0L M256 V6 (as used in the GLS-Class).
The 5.7 Hemi V8 has 25 less bhp & 50 less lb-ft than the EcoTec3 6.0 L V8 (as used in the Tahoe/Suburban, Yukon & Escalade), 60 less bhp & 100 less lb-ft than the "Raptor" 3.5L Ecoboost V6 (as used in the Navigator) and 109 less bhp & 290 less lb-ft than the 4.0L M175 V8 (as used in the GLS-Class).
Likewise the proposed PHEV 4xe version has 27 less bhp & 82 less lb-ft than Volvo's XC90 T8 (despite being 400kg less than the likely weight of the Wagoneer PHEV).
So while I would agree that the PHEV Version would be sold on the basis of fuel economy, its remains a fact that all 3 possible powertrain options are far too underpowered for a Full-Size SUV.
This is beautiful. Did you fix the front as well? Larger hood lump like the original, more fitting (taller) headlamps. I'd love to see that!
I'd say even more than half. Unfortunately this seems to be a theme with FCA, where the details aren't quite followed through. On things like refinement, quality, and engineering "almost there" is good enough. I don't think that's going to cut it in the future in an industry where there is as much competition as the one they're in.
I will make one, but I haven't got around to it yet; I would like to do it as a front 3/4 | rear 3/4 set. Not to mention seeing if it makes sense from the front.
here you go.. Not doing any mods other than the wood inlay and the duotone.
Nice. If I had any photo editing skills beyond "n00b" I'd try my hand at the headlamp and hood this thing deserves.
I'm not a fan of the "make the head lights as tiny as possible" styling everyone has gone to.
Makes the front ends look out of proportion in my opinion.
Also not luxurious, or functional. Style? Depends on taste. I think bigger, bolder headlamps match a bigger, bolder front end than slim ones do.
THIS would looks so much more in line with the HERITAGE of the original and has got me thinking full-sized SUV as a single man with very little need for it. Very well done.
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