AF: New Grand Wagoneer design | Page 11 | Allpar Forums
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

New Grand Wagoneer design

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by 12soldier, Sep 3, 2020.

?

New Grand Wagoneer design

Poll closed Wednesday at 5:44 PM.
  1. No thanks

    23 vote(s)
    15.6%
  2. Yes, please

    48 vote(s)
    32.7%
  3. Almost, but not quite

    76 vote(s)
    51.7%
  1. unverferth

    unverferth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2003
    Messages:
    2,225
    Likes:
    1,164
    Great job, suzq. That sure makes an awesome difference. Ralph needs to see this.
     
  2. hmk123

    Level III Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2008
    Messages:
    3,245
    Likes:
    3,329
    This looks really good! Hope FCA is looking here. :)
     
    kevin m. Henry and tlc like this.
  3. valiant67

    valiant67 ...

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2003
    Messages:
    36,776
    Likes:
    19,594
    We can always hope things bet better for the released version. Production Neon was going to drop the concept's round headlights for traditional rectangular ones and fortunately that idea was stopped by strong reaction from those who viewed the concept.
     
  4. Zagnut27

    Zagnut27 Jeepaholic

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2015
    Messages:
    5,541
    Likes:
    10,920
    Unfortunately I doubt very much that anyone at FCA comes here anymore.
     
    freshforged, page2171 and gforce2002 like this.
  5. mopar22

    mopar22 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2010
    Messages:
    2,799
    Likes:
    2,166
    I think overall the wagoneer went for a too safe of a design to appease as many people as possible. It's gonna get lose in the seat of fullsize suv in anything but a special color if/when they decide to do them. I know a full size suv is not for me or even trying to get me but out of all the ideation sketches, I saw those looked way better than this production model and even concept. Proportions are off and it feels too top-heavy. At least other full size suv have tweaked proportions so it doesn't feel like they're gonna tip over at a moments notice
     
  6. serpens

    serpens Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2013
    Messages:
    1,044
    Likes:
    1,139
    That looks much better. I also liked the photoshop you did where the rear window line was fixed as well.
     
  7. gforce2002

    gforce2002 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    2,149
    Likes:
    1,460
    That is great, suze! That extra detail makes so much difference over the bland boxiness of the concept.
     
    HotCarNut and hmk123 like this.
  8. hmk123

    Level III Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2008
    Messages:
    3,245
    Likes:
    3,329
    What I don't get is they were half way there... why didn't they complete it?
     
    HotCarNut, gforce2002 and suzq044 like this.
  9. Chrysler UK

    Chrysler UK Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2020
    Messages:
    92
    Likes:
    66
    What's even worse is that the PHEV version is going to be using the GME-T4 4xe Setup (which is too underpowered for the Wagoneer). Despite the fact that it would make more sense to use a 5.7 HEMI V8 PHEV setup (until the GME-T6 finally arrives) instead, especially when said PHEV version is going to be on the heavy side (even by Full-Size SUV standards)

    Regardless, its clear that FCA is trying to make the Wagoneer the slowest in its class.
     
  10. suzq044

    suzq044 Resident Photoshop Nerd

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2005
    Messages:
    7,970
    Likes:
    6,962
    To be fair, that class isn't about the fastest you can go, and that's just a single option.. and probably for mpg, not anything more. So they can claim a big mpg number when properly equipped.
     
    tlc and HotCarNut like this.
  11. Chrysler UK

    Chrysler UK Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2020
    Messages:
    92
    Likes:
    66
    The "Slowest in its Class" comment was applied to the proposed Wagoneer Engine Range in general; not just the PHEV Version. For example:
    • The 3.6 Pentastar V6 has 60 less bhp & 123 less lb-ft than the EcoTec3 5.3 L V8 (as used in the Tahoe/Suburban & Yukon), 80 less bhp & 210 less lb-ft than the "Standard" 3.5L Ecoboost V6 (as used in the Expedition) and 88 less bhp & 210 less lb-ft than the 3.0L M256 V6 (as used in the GLS-Class).
    • The 5.7 Hemi V8 has 25 less bhp & 50 less lb-ft than the EcoTec3 6.0 L V8 (as used in the Tahoe/Suburban, Yukon & Escalade), 60 less bhp & 100 less lb-ft than the "Raptor" 3.5L Ecoboost V6 (as used in the Navigator) and 109 less bhp & 290 less lb-ft than the 4.0L M175 V8 (as used in the GLS-Class).
    Likewise the proposed PHEV 4xe version has 27 less bhp & 82 less lb-ft than Volvo's XC90 T8 (despite being 400kg less than the likely weight of the Wagoneer PHEV).

    So while I would agree that the PHEV Version would be sold on the basis of fuel economy, its remains a fact that all 3 possible powertrain options are far too underpowered for a Full-Size SUV.
     
    HEMI345 likes this.
  12. Tomguy

    Tomguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    Likes:
    936
    This is beautiful. Did you fix the front as well? Larger hood lump like the original, more fitting (taller) headlamps. I'd love to see that!
     
  13. gforce2002

    gforce2002 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    2,149
    Likes:
    1,460
    I'd say even more than half. Unfortunately this seems to be a theme with FCA, where the details aren't quite followed through. On things like refinement, quality, and engineering "almost there" is good enough. I don't think that's going to cut it in the future in an industry where there is as much competition as the one they're in.
     
    valiant67 and page2171 like this.
  14. suzq044

    suzq044 Resident Photoshop Nerd

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2005
    Messages:
    7,970
    Likes:
    6,962
    I will make one, but I haven't got around to it yet; I would like to do it as a front 3/4 | rear 3/4 set. Not to mention seeing if it makes sense from the front.
     
  15. suzq044

    suzq044 Resident Photoshop Nerd

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2005
    Messages:
    7,970
    Likes:
    6,962
    WagFR.jpg here you go.. Not doing any mods other than the wood inlay and the duotone.
     
  16. Tomguy

    Tomguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    Likes:
    936
    Nice. If I had any photo editing skills beyond "n00b" I'd try my hand at the headlamp and hood this thing deserves.
     
  17. CherokeeVision

    CherokeeVision Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2004
    Messages:
    5,951
    Likes:
    2,881
    I'm not a fan of the "make the head lights as tiny as possible" styling everyone has gone to.
    Makes the front ends look out of proportion in my opinion.
     
    freshforged likes this.
  18. Tomguy

    Tomguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    Likes:
    936
    Also not luxurious, or functional. Style? Depends on taste. I think bigger, bolder headlamps match a bigger, bolder front end than slim ones do.
     
  19. XRT2SRT

    XRT2SRT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes:
    453
    THIS would looks so much more in line with the HERITAGE of the original and has got me thinking full-sized SUV as a single man with very little need for it. Very well done.
     
    suzq044 likes this.
  20. HEMI345

    HEMI345 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2017
    Messages:
    274
    Likes:
    301
    SPOTTED: 2022 Jeep® Wagoneer (WS) - The More Mainstream Full-Size SUV: - Mopar Insiders
    [​IMG]
     

Share This Page

Loading...
 We are not affiliated with FCA. We make no claims regarding validity or accuracy of information or advice. Copyright © VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.