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Plymouth Belmont concept car - What-If

Discussion in 'Rumors and General Chrysler Discussion' started by Star Car, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Star Car

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    Not sure whether this thread would be more applicable in the Classic Cars sub-forum.

    Had the Plymouth Belmont concept car reached production, how would it have likely evolved as a Corvette and Thunderbird rival? Depending on the model's success am assuming it would take long for non-Plymouth based versions to appear (as was planned for the original Corvette).

    Had it been a success which models within Chrysler would they been derived from and what styling theme would they have adopted? Additionally would any existing models have likely been butterflied away?
     
  2. Stéphane Dumas

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    Hard to said, if the Belmont had been successeful, would had also taken the place of the Barracuda if it had evolved as a 4-seat sport coupe?
    On the other hand, the Belmont could had taken the path of the Thunderbird and evolved as a personnal luxury car well before the Chevrolet Monte Carlo and the Chrysler Corboda.
     
  3. Star Car

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    The article on the Belmont does not clarify what Plymouth chassis it is based on other then it being shared with Dodge and having a wheelbase of around 114-inches, though assuming the Dodge model in question was the Royal then that would give it a production life of around the late-50s to early-60s before being replaced by a Valiant-derived successor.

    The Belmont successor (and non-Plymouth variants) following either a more Barracuda or Thunderbird are possibilities, another given Chrysler's downsizing approach with the Valiant would be for a hypothetical 2nd generation Belmont to adopt a similar conceptual approach to the 1964 Pontiac Banshee prototype (that weighed some 500 lb / 227kg less than the Corvette) or even the later Australian Valiant Charger (that was much smaller compared to the Barracuda) though not sure what styling theme the 2nd generation Belmont would have adopted.
     
  4. 77 Monaco Brougham

    77 Monaco Brougham Well-Known Member

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    Had the Plymouth Belmont Concept been green-lighted, there's only one thing I would be comfortable to predict:

    The Dodge Division would have screamed Bloody Blue Murder until the Company would cave-in and give Dodge a virtual clone of the Belmont, to compete directly against Plymouth!
     
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    By the time the Belmont would have reached production, there would be no chassis to base it on. Belmont was a concept based on a body on frame chassis. Chrysler was moving to unibody, which meant a production Belmont would have been the only body on frame car (except Imperial) or it would have had to go into production as a unibody car. You’ll notice the change to unibody ended a lot of the custom bodies on Chrysler frames.
     
  6. ImperialCrown

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    Plymouth did get the Gold Fury a year later. Based on the Belvedere, it was a more conventional and easier/cheaper to build car and packed a dual-quad V8.
    The Belmont was eye-candy for sure, but I think that a fiberglass body would have added to Chrysler's quality headaches in the 1950's. The Belmont look would have been dated with the arrival of the Forward-Look.
    Dodge did have the Firearrow show cars and a hot D500/D-501 beast (the poor man's 300). DeSoto had the hot Adventurer.
    The Chrysler Falcon was also called the Corvette and Thunderbird competitor in the wiki:
    Chrysler Falcon - Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Falcon )
    Many of Exner's and Ghia's Chrysler styling studies were and are still beautiful to behold.
    Plymouth was almost rekindled at the end by another sweet roadster, The Prowler. Many Plymouth PT/Pronto variants were also under consideration, but the brand was over-with.
     
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  7. Star Car

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    Is it known what platform the Chrysler Falcon was based upon given it was said to be production-intent despite not being approved?
     
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    There really weren’t platforms as such back then. It was probably just the “normal” car frame shortened to the necessary length.
     
  9. Star Car

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    Could easily see clones of such cars or whichever possible Corvette challenger the company opted to approve for production.

    Meant to say is it known what specific model likely underpinned the Falcon?
     
  10. ImperialCrown

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    Like the Belmont, the Falcon had front coil spring suspension. Chrysler engineering development of torsion bars was underway, with a couple of years until mass production.
    The Falcon also had an integrated body/frame construction (early unibody) that kept the weight down. The wheelbase was 105", which was shorter than anything in production.
    The Chrysler Falcon concept car (at https://www.valiant.org/falcon.html )
    It was a working, running idea car. In the 'Virgil Exner: Visioneer' biography, it is said that he took the Falcon to the local dragstrip on weekends. This would have given the concept car real-world visibility to the enthusiasts at the track. What better way to promote excitement than that!
     
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  11. Star Car

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    Understand no other Chrysler in production at the time featured the same 105-inch wheelbase, yet cannot believe it to be a clean-sheet design beneath the exterior styling far removed from anything the company was selling during that period.
     
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    A full frame can be extended or shorted as needed. If you stepped back in time, you’d probably find all the production cars (except maybe Imperial) used the same frame design in varied lengths. So any concept could just use an extended or shortened version of the production frame.
     
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    That was a cool looking car. I'd love to see one close up.
     
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    [​IMG]
    1953 PLYMOUTH CRANBROOK CONVERTIBLE
    I think the Cranbrook convertible is just as nice looking car with more trunk space.
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    I think the tail looks nicer then the nose.
    I've seen this car in 3-4 colors on the internet. Blue, bright red and burgundy like color.

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    Dodge Firearrow, This is a nice looking car. Even if they were to install a bumper up front.
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  16. Stéphane Dumas

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    Maybe the Belmont would had been all metal instead of fiberglass body but it would be more heavier. And who knows if the Belmont would had got design updates with the Forward Look just like the Plymouth Cranbrook/Belvedere got reskinned as the Chrysler Royal Down Under in Australia.
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  17. Star Car

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    Had some version of the Falcon, Belmont or Firearrow, etc entered production as an early Corvette / Thunderbird rival. By the time it was due to be replaced what would have been the best approach to take in differentiating the Plymouth Barracuda (if it is still built) with an early-1960s US-built version of the smaller lighter Chrysler Valiant Charger (sans Hemi-6 yet plus Slant-Six including all-alloy block)? - Chrysler VH Valiant Charger R/T E49 vs Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda (1971-72) (at https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/car-comparison-review/1209/vh-valiant-charger-rt-e49-vs-plymouth-hemi-cuda-(1971-72) )

    The Valiant Charger that entered production in the 1970s featured a shorter wheelbase compared to the Barracuda along with a 10cm reduction in length, with Chrysler Australian also looking at hatchback variants of the Valiant Charger (including fastback coupe, shooting-brake, etc).

    An earlier US-built SWB version of the Valiant Charger derived from the 1st/2nd generation Valiant would theoretically at its maximum extent feature similar dimensions to the Pontiac Banshee prototype with the minimum dimensions roughly being approximate to the Ford Mustang II (or with a length of around 169-175-inches depending on how smaller Chrysler wants to go).
     
  18. Star Car

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    Agree with you regarding the front-end.
     
  19. ImperialCrown

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    Like the 1960 slant-6 XNR? That was built on the domestic A-body Valiant architecture, like the Barracuda was a few years later. Although not to compete with the Corvette and Thunderbird, it was to compete with the 'pony car' class (Mustang and later, Camaro):

    Plymouth XNR - Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_XNR )

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  20. Star Car

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    No, would be after something production worthy as far as styling themes are concerned derived from a slightly smoothed out SWB variation of the 1961 Dodge Lancer or an early precursor to the 2nd generation Plymouth Valiant / 3rd generation Dodge Dart.

    Do envision a 2-seater or 2+2 variations being possibilities, though it is basically a smaller SWB companion to the Barracuda like the later Valiant Charger with more of an emphasis on lightness and agility (so as to not fully overlap with the larger Barracuda yet with scope to readily utilize the LA V8 if deemed necessary).
     
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