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Saw something quite concerning at the local dealer today!

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by LouJC, May 16, 2020.

  1. rmtodd

    rmtodd Well-Known Member

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    Though most car windows do well at blocking UV-B, the results are variable with UV-A, which is also a bigger medical concern. Studies in 2016 ad 2017 claimed that while windshields blocked the vast majority of UV-A rays, side windows generally blocked way less than that, and that there are more skin cancers and cataracts on people's left sides, likely from that kind of exposure. I would guess the long-term trend would be to have windows that block more, but that probably doesn't apply to windows with unchanged designs.

    Levels of UV-A Light Protection in Automobile Windshields and Side Windows (at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaophthalmology/fullarticle/2522190 )
    https://symbiosisonlinepublishing.com/ophthalmology/ophthalmology28.pdf
     
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  2. 06PTElectricBlue

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    How rude, they put it there, they could have removed it when they were done with your vehicle. ;)

    Most all of the shops that I use, put some kind of protection on the floor and seat, but they have been doing that since before the virus, as a matter of keeping their customers cars clean. ;)

    But they also remove it when they give me back my car. :)
     
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  3. flffddy

    flffddy Well-Known Member

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    Plus, it's a Wrangler. Take the top off and lay the windshield down. (I know, the dealership probably isn't competent enough to do this properly and would somehow damage the vehicle.)
     
  4. K-9

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    Thank you for confirming UV lights are used as a sterilization process. Too much disinformation has muddied the waters for me.

    I would think that with the windows rolled up that the interior is going to get very hot during the day. I don't recall seeing specific temps for different surfaces that facilitate the demise of the virus.

    Of course, a black on black vehicle in the sun should turn it into ash in seconds... LOL ;)
     
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  5. Dave Z

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    Thanks for the info. Wasn't aware either that the side windows are not as well treated or that they are missing part of UV spectrum.
    I recall CR testing cheap sunglasses and finding they all blocked UV, now I wonder about that...

    Nobody ever said they weren't used for sterilization, just that they were not suitable for use on human skin (or blood) except in rare cases. Anyway, that suggestion was sarcasm, according to its source.

    Strong UV is good for sterilization but I highly doubt they use it on people, or have their hands anywhere near the lights. I'd guess those lights are pretty strong.

    Seen it, forgot it, sadly, but yes, heat's a huge part of the equation. It doesn't last as long in heat. Many expect that transmission will fall during summer and return in Fall.

    Actually, though Kemp almost certainly did not consider this, that might be one reason Georgia won't have as bad results as Wisconsin from opening up: the virus will disappear from most surfaces more quickly in the heat than in the cold. (Georgia is really pretty hard hit from the virus right now in terms of the growth rate, but it's mainly concentrated in the cities, and some politicians would say that's OK by them.)
     
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  6. MJAB

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    The UV light used for disinfection is the UV-C (wavelength 280–100 nanometers) and is produced with artificial light sources.
    It is not a safe for humans to irradiate themselves with it or look its light, can burn the skin, cause cancer, damage cornea, retina, ...

    At earth ground level we are not afected by UV-C because are blocked in atmosphere by ozono and oxygen (as well ozone reduces the amount of UV-B).

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  7. Dave Z

    Dave Z It's me, Dave
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    Thanks, MJAB! Good info. Come to think of it, the main issue with the ozone layer depletion, and the reason we switched to R134a and then R1234abcdefgh (can't recall the actual name) or other refrigerants, was the ozone layer... one of our rare victories for the environment (made possible by a LACK of politicization; it's hard to believe that as late as Gerald Ford (R) and Jimmy Carter (D), the environment was not in any way political.) Indeed, Nixon (R) fully supported the EPA, if I recall correctly.
     
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  8. Zagnut27

    Zagnut27 Jeepaholic

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    Yes. The UV lights we use in the hospital for room sanitization are not something you would want to be exposed to. The EVS staff put them in the room, and then no one can enter the room for a specified amount of time, depending on application. The UV lights used for N95 sanitization are for non-Covid use I believe. I think the N95’s are sanitized with hydrogen peroxide for Covid exposure IIRC. I’d have to double check on that. They’re only able to be done once I believe, but it’s allowed our supply to go farther than it normally would have.
     
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  9. MJAB

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    UV-C lamps are more common than can image, for example can be found in aquariums, terrariums, but also for "disinfection" of small objects as phones or as portable lamps.
    The lamps themselves are not so expensive.
    Perhaps, but is only my opinion, now are too common and too much persons doesn't even look at safety precautions.

    A part of UV-C spectrum has more germicidal effect than others.
    The 185 nm wavelength (always in UV range) is able to produce ozone, that is also used for disinfection, but is also harmful for persons. There are some lamps that have the combine the effect.

    I know because 2 - 3 years ago was looking for water sanitizers for potable water tanks, not because I am a UV-C passionate :) .

    As the thread was about cars and sanitazing them, going back in theme, Since about 2 weeks Fiat commercialis about restart and protection.

    So now there is a D-fence pack by Mopar that is available with Fiat Panda or 500 (maybe also for the others).
    The pack includes a high efficiency cabin filter, a portable air purifier with HEPA filter and a portable UV lamp.

    Commercial title: "Riparti con Panda e il nuovo D-FENCE Pack!" (Restart with Panda and the new D-fence pack!)


    note: Fiat Panda is the best selling car in Italy.
     
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  11. Dave Z

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    We have a portable UV-C lamp. Clear warnings on it, keep away from hands! We use it for incoming mail now... at the start we used it for groceries. That got old fast. Have to wear gloves while using it. I don't think it's really powerful enough to do much.

    Glad hydrogen peroxide works. It's my go-to liquid because it's nontoxic after exposure to air and light (turns into water), and if I accidentally spill some on myself, it's not the end of the world. Not bad for the sewers, like bleach.
     
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  12. Tony K

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    For good reason. Not much of a friend thinking it was okay to light up at someone else's house after being asked not to. What you're referring to - house rules - fall under what's called private law, which many folks do not have a clue about. I had myself never heard the term probably until a decade ago. Violations of private law almost invariably constitute trespass. In this case, one might think of trespass more in the sense of the "Lord's Prayer." Unlawful entry onto private property is just one instance. He was trespassing once he failed to abide by your rules, as long as they were not themselves illegal/unethical (can't require someone to violate public law, or their own modesty, etc.). "Rights" are highly restrictable under private law, absent public law codifying that or in common law, with customary pre-emptions, such as in the case of a public accommodation. Nobody can come onto my property and "keep and bear arms" without my permission. That's an invasion of my right to control of my domain. If I told you to take off your shoes by the door, you're obliged to do so. Your clothes, not so much...unless I live in a nudist colony perhaps.

    Had a very brief exchange with a local dealer maybe 8-10 years ago buying a used Liberty CRD, over document fees. When I called them bullpoopies (it was a few hundred dollars) the manager, who ironically sounded like he grew up near you, told the clerk to make it $56 (IIRC), which sounded like a reasonable cost to offset paperwork production costs. I know how "document fees" work. I had done my homework.
     
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  13. Zagnut27

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    Hydrogen peroxide, bleach, isopropyl alcohol (higher percentage the better)...all can be used for various surfaces/materials.

    For our N95’s, we label them with our names & unit, put them in labeled bags and then they’re picked up to be sanitized. They return them to the unit in a big cardboard case that looks like it should have donuts in it. And no matter how many times I see the case delivered, and knowing what is actually inside, I’m still disappointed it’s not donuts. :D
     
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  14. KrisW

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    On the original topic, chemical cleaners have to be used with a lot of care in a car interior. Hydrogen peroxide won't damage much, but it can bleach fabrics (as you should expect from... a bleach). The one material it can damage is nylon (used in seat materials and seatbelts). Chlorine bleach is not good at all, and will damage ABS, the hard, smooth plastic used for interior trim.
     
  15. dodgeismycar

    dodgeismycar Well-Known Member

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    I woorkfor a very large car rental company at RDU. I am a p/t driver that moves rental vehicles between numerous locations through out the area. When 19 reared its head, the company did not know what to do to stop the virus spread. We are transported to locations in a Mini van with 6 people seated. The driver's had to supply our own disenfecting wipes, gloves and masks. The company never acknowledged that there may be an issue with us drivers or the customers. I was laid off via text message.
    Most of us drivers are retired andsand in poor health. We were amazed at the companies lack of concern.
    This was well after the pp protocol was announced.
    As for me, and many others,we wll notrnot betbe returning to that company.
    We have seen that the car return crews that prepare the vehicles for rent, can even vacuum out a car so I don't know what the company will do to protect us and it's customers.
     
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  16. wolfsblood07

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    Most of this is theater, done only to show that safety and life-saving measures are being followed to a tee. It does little or no good.
     
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  17. Dave Z

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    Yup. Around here $500+ is not uncommon. I want to know before it goes on. $56 is reasonable. $80 is reasonable given higher state fees now. $400 is high. More than that is abusive.
     
  18. 06PTElectricBlue

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    One of the Disney parks is reopening and they have posted a special warning:

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    Disney Springs inside look as final reopening preps are made (at https://www.wesh.com/article/reopening-disney-springs-inside-look/32601708 )

    There are inherent risks with anything that you do, wherever you go, at any time.

    I'm waiting for, somewhere, sometime, there will be a lawyer that will take on a case and try to hold some place responsible for their client contracting the virus.
     
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  19. Morty

    Morty Well-Known Member

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    l really hope this was said as a sarcasm!!
     
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  20. djsamuel

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    That's how I took it. But you know that at some point some lawyer will say that you pay nothing if you lose, so why not sue.
     
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