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The full Dodge Challenger Demon thread

Discussion in 'Mopar News and Rumors' started by Dave Z, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. Hellcatbroughtmehere

    Hellcatbroughtmehere Member

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    Count me in :D
     
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  2. Mike V.

    Mike V. Moderator

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    Sorry misplaced that addy. :D

    Mike
     
  3. Hellcatbroughtmehere

    Hellcatbroughtmehere Member

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    Darn it!
     
  4. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru! Supporter

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    Neither, it's a non-street legal race car with a special paint scheme.
     
  5. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru! Supporter

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  6. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru! Supporter

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    The reason why the 354 car was built was so Dodge/Mopar could after the super stock manufacturer title.
     
  7. Devildodge

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    I have reading as much as I can about all this. Wow. A whole world surrounds the ability of this Demon. It is so much more than can be imagined and will soon be a reality.

    I also didn't realize Fate of the Furious comes after the reveal.

    This has got to get so much attention for Mopar and Dodge. Let's just hope fake news don't sway people from actually purchasing the cars that pay the bills.

    Mopar domination would be great. (Still secretly missing being the few the proud Mopar guy...but this is so worth it)
     
  8. Mike V.

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    We will have to agree to disagree. Mopar needed a supercharged engine to compete with the supercharged competition from Ford and GM in the Factory Stock showdown. This is the future of NHRA and will probably replace Pro Stock eventually.

    Mike
     
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  9. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru! Supporter

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    Isn't that basically what I said? The 354 was the first Drag Pak from the factory that could run in Super Stock. Thus explains why it was built to go after the manufacturers championship in the Super Stock category! Dodge/Mopar already had success with the past 2009 and 2011 Drag Pak cars in the Stock category. Why would they offer two cars to run in that same class?

    2016 Dodge Challenger Drag Pak: Mopar’s 426 Hemi and Supercharged 354 V8 (at http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger/drag-pak-2016.html )

    It's even mentioned in this allpar article about the Challenger being for Super Stock racing.

    If you go to the COPO Camaro page for GM Performance... they list all of their COPO engines since that package debuting in 2009 and it says....

    COPO Camaro: Race Car for the Drag Strip | Chevrolet (at https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/copo-camaro.html )

    "The engines offered in the COPO Camaro program were developed to align with the top classes in NHRA's various Stock Eliminator and Super Stock ranks:"

    So if Dodge/Mopar had no intentions on winning that manufacturer's championship in Super Stock why would they build the car? With a limited number of cars in both years produced prior to 2015 and all of them being sold as soon as ordering opened. There wasn't a heavy demand to move up to Super Stock. However, Mopar has focused squarely at drag racing even more so since 2009. They have invested twice the budget they were in 2009 into drag racing, and Petro already said that he wants to dominate the sport in very category. That was why they pulled factory backing from Allen Johnson and moved it over to Erica Enders (because she was back to back Pro Stock champion) and half of their team was driving Darts and the other half Camaros? Well that worked out great and it put forth a horrible year for the team in the standings with mechanical failures and what not. But if you look at the number of DSR funny cars now, Mopar sponsored top fuel cars (DSR's Antron Brown and Shawn Langdon are sponsored by Toyota) where Leah Pritchett and Tony Schumacher do have sponsorship by Mopar. Mopar even announced a special sponsorship to three Drag Pak teams this year, which they announced in December...

    Mopar announces initiatives to support NHRA racers in 2017 (at http://www.nhra.com/news/2016/mopar-announces-initiatives-support-nhra-racers-2017 )

    The “Magneti Marelli Offered by Mopar Drag Pak Rewards” program will offer payouts to the Top 20 Mopar Dodge Challenger Drag Pak drivers, as determined by the program’s points system. Points will be awarded for entries, runner-up finishes and victories. Rewards will also be offered for a Factory Stock Showdown NHRA National event win and a Stock Eliminator or Super Stock World Championship claimed by a Mopar Dodge Challenger Drag Pak competitor.

    Dodge did a similar thing to its NASCAR teams when it wanted to win the Daytona 500 and the NASCAR points championship in Nationwide (Xfinity) and the Cup Series...

    Dodge Motorsports annual team dinner quotes (at https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/dodge-motorsports-annual-team-dinner-quotes/ )

    Jim Julow, Vice President, Dodge Global Brand Center, announced Friday night at the annual Dodge team dinner that a Dodge team will receive a $1 million bonus if it wins the 2002 NASCAR Winston Cup Championship. The winning driver will be awarded...

    STERLING MARLIN (No. 40 Coors Light Dodge Intrepid R/T)


    "Naturally we are going to try as hard as we can to win the championship, but that extra million and Viper just gives us more incentive if that's possible. Dodge has put together a great racing program, and we were honored to win the first race for Dodge last season. Now we'll try to be the first team to win that bonus. Maybe we can kick it up a couple of notches from last year.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2AAgBm-_0RyCYRd7w&sig2=tDzRSgGqjuNj31Gfb7osNw

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    Dodge went out of NASCAR on top with Brad Keselowski in 2012 | FOX Sports (at http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/brad-keselowski-dodge-manufacturer-went-out-nascar-on-top-in-2012-chase-sprint-cup-championship-title-120616 )

    So when FCA (Chrysler) want something... they usually go full steam ahead, especially when it comes to Motorsports!
     
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  10. Mike V.

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    They don't run in the same class, there is an XX and a X class. What you are missing is that the supercharged engine is not for Super Stock, they are for Factory Stock XX class (FS/XX) and the V10 Challenger gets a weight penalty for FS/X. The Supercharged Challenger Drag Pak uses the Whipple supercharger.

    FS/XX: Supercharged entries only
    Cars with a 2.3L Eaton supercharger must weigh a minimum of 3,300 lbs.
    Cars with a 2.9L Whipple supercharger must weigh a minimum of 3,550 lbs.

    FS/X: Normally Aspirated entries only
    Entries with Chevrolet 427, Dodge 426, and Ford 429 must weigh a minimum of 3,350 lbs. 2011 Dodge V10 entries must weigh a minimum of 3,425 lbs. All others entries must weigh a minimum of 3,200 lbs.

    Factory Stock is a bigger deal than Super Stock right now. The Hemi A Bodies still own Super Stock records to this day.

    Mike
     
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  11. Devildodge

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    The Hemi A bodies. Oh man...Wow. What a thought.
    Wonder were the Demon technologies can go to make a modern day A body.

    Sigh
     
  12. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru! Supporter

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    I didn't mean like Super Stock as in Dodge Dart NHRA Super Stock class.... every few years they change the categories name. Yes, FS/XX is the manufacturers championship they wanted to go after since they did not have an entry. I knew about the Drag Pak V10 weight penalty. That's another rule change too since 2015.... it was just the 2.9 Whipple that was the standard approved supercharged across the board. Now I see they are letting the 2.3 Eatons in.

    Even on NHRARacer.com, the classes are listed as

    All supercharged vehicles will compete within the FS/A class.
    All naturally aspirated vehicles will compete within the FS/B class.
    Index for the FS/B will be lowered from 10.40 to 10.35
    FS/A minimum weight will be adjusted from 3500LBs to 3550LBs
    300LBs will be added to the V-10 Dodge Challenger
    FS/B: Minimum weight up to 400 CID 3250 LBs, 401 to 430 CID 3350 LBs

    Drag Race 101 - Eliminator Classes Part II (at http://www.racingjunk.com/news/2015/03/18/drag-race-101-eliminator-classes-part-ii/ )

    Even this article calls them Stock and Super Stock classes....
     
  13. MoparJoe

    MoparJoe Active Member

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    and back to the Demon ....
     
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  14. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru! Supporter

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    Hey now, I know you just want us to spill everything we know! lol.
     
  15. tomaz

    tomaz Active Member

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    I was just about to end the conversation like this lol