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Vegas updates

Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by Moparian, Aug 25, 2015.

  1. Illegal Machine

    Illegal Machine Active Member

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    Hey! That's my Opposite Lock post.

    Suz, thanks for adding info in the comments!
     
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  2. Dave Z

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    Oh, for heaven’s sake, we reported that ages ago...
     
  3. Bob Lincoln

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    Comparing to a TBI Daytona (100 hp), not a turbo. I haven't test-driven a Dart yet (because: I want to see the refresh; I don't want to get a salesman's hopes up/waste his time a few years in advance of a sale; and no 6-speed manuals at my dealer), but reports are that the 1.4L is hopelessly bogged down before boost kicks in. They make it sound slower than a Daytona TBI. And I don't have to "launch" my Daytona to get out into traffic. I just about never go above 3000 RPM, and make all shifts below that speed. Lots of torque.

    And if the 100 ever comes to fruition and looks like the graphics I've seen, forget it. It's fugly. Not the kind of vehicle shape I want or need.

    And, it still comes back to the fact that my cost of driving a 33 mpg car at 87 octane is still less than a 41 mpg 91 octane car.
     
  4. Mario9

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    I think he is referring to the report that those models were actually shown there.
     
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  5. Dave Z

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    Oh.

    And I agree with Bob Lincoln, though these days, the key to gas mileage seems to be automatics because of their wider gearing.
     
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  6. Moparian

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    So wouldnt it make more sense to go for the 2.0 6MT that gets 36+ MPG, runs on 87 and doesnt require any special spark plugs and oil?
     
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  7. BASONE88

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    1 tousend likes - to you, for coining "g-wag!":D
     
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  8. wilbur

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    The '15 Dart GT 6 spd I test drove, I really liked. I would absolutely adore a 300HP version!!!!

    Soon precious, soon!
     
  9. Bob Lincoln

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    Yes, it would, but the gas mileage is still not high enough to justify replacing my car. The savings in gas would only be $150 per year from what I pay now.

    The Dart needs to lose weight so that the 2.0 engine can give me 40 mpg or better.
     
  10. TripleT

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    Have studied the Torque curves of the 1.4t, the 2.2 and 2.2 turbo and the 1.4 is better and flatter... the 1.4 does not seem hopelessly bogged down compared to 2.2. And if you have a manual you do have to launch it. Launch simply referring giving the proper amount of throttle to clutch engagement...... I am not trying to argue just stating the facts... go drive one. Daytona benefits from less weight from NVH and safety. But really time has moved on the DART is a far superior. Expect the 100 to look like the rest of the family but styling in subjective.... the whole point is there is a proper high mileage car.. but time is not going backwards the rattle traps and 1990 safety standards.

    Dodge is not moving toward Toyota and Honda... they will be moving away. To get the model at FCA you will have to look toward the 100 or someone else. The DART achieved the government requirements and now is on the way being what it should be a performance brand. The Daytona back in the 90s felt like rocket ships with a turbo, now the same performance is pedestrian.... just time moving on. The is always Kia if you want cheap and efficient with a bit of a rattle... they most remind me of the 90s cars.
     
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  11. BASONE88

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    Fiat is part of FCA, as is Dodge, Chrysler, Alfa Romeo, etc. The CAFE rules apply to the company as a whole. In other words, each brand does not have to have a 40mpg car. BIG ADVANTAGE.
     
  12. TripleT

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    Only if they sell enough 500s :)
     
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  13. pumadog

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    You reported ages ago what Alfa/Fiat models were shown in Vegas and how they appeared? Please enlighten me, I didn't see anything!
     
  14. valiant67

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    And the thing is the regular 500, despite a spotty quality record in the earlier years of the US re-introduction, has turned out to be a fun car. Based on experiences of a few of my friends and my own experience, the 500 has gotten much better after the first couple of years. It's a fun car to drive as well.
     
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  15. Illegal Machine

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    Anyone else a little curious as to why there was no Viper mentioned?
     
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    Finally! :)
     
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    I am surprised that there was no mention of the revised 2017 Cherokee. It probably is closer to production than some of the other cars at the preview.
     
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  18. Mr.Source

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    What can you say about the 300 ?
     
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  19. Erik Latranyi

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    One thing I have noted is that I do not see much excitement about the new minivan......which is a key product and more important than most of the others.
     
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  20. Dave Z

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    We reported on the full line of Alfas. As I said before, I wasn't aware of the context that this was "Alfas shown at the event." Thanks for your sarcasm.
     

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