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Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer?

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by JKU12, Jan 27, 2016.

  1. ScottB

    ScottB Active Member

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    I saw that too. It did make me wonder if that was information from last year that just didn't get updated, because last year the Ltd. and Citadel were available with the Hemi. I have a feeling that only the R/T truly has the 7200# tow rating this year and all the others are dropped to 6200# because they are V6-only now. Just a thought.
     
  2. link3721

    link3721 Yes, This MK Goes Off-Road

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    Entirely possible, just reporting what I found.
     
  3. Stratuscaster

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    Wasn't it not too long ago that it was reported there would be a gradual de-emphasis on the HEMI and it's availability? This should not be a surprise that the HEMI's availability is being limited to certain configurations.

    I'm not saying anyone has to LIKE it, but it was on the horizon already.
     
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  4. ScottB

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    That's why I say enjoy 'em while you can! Before too long we're going to be entering another period like the '80s where small, underpowered vehicles are going to be the norm. Like then, you'll have to buy a truck to get a V8. And it's all a bunch of BS driving it in that direction.
     
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    The automakers all noted that they had no issues with the government telling them they had to hit a specific number by a specific date, so long as they did not try to tell them HOW to do it.

    This would be one way how to do it. Since hitting CAFE is based upon the vehicles sold, you limit the number of low-MPG vehicles that are available. Should you discover the magic snake oil that let's a HEMI get better MPG, then you can bring it back.

    Meanwhile, you've got some automakers moving away from V6s and instead pushing turbo's 4-cylinders in larger cars.

    Indeed, if you want a V8, you'd best look at getting a new one sooner rather than later.
     
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  6. Zagnut27

    Zagnut27 Jeepaholic

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    My wife's Encore only has 138HP, but it's a turbo 4cyl. Most of the time I have to kick it in the a$$ to get any get up & go from it, but fully loaded to the gills on a road trip back & forth to Atlanta from Delaware it did pretty well I must say. It will never wow you, but it gets the job done and with decent gas mileage to boot. A far cry from my 90HP 4cyl Escort ('87). Muther's post about getting stuck behind a truckload of pigs brings back painful memories of that Escort, fully loaded, on the narrow 2-lane roadways of Central NY State and getting stuck behind every slow moving truck.

    That being said, I hear the Pentastar is a fine engine, though I haven't driven one yet. If it's anything like the 6cyl in my Mustang, it's got a boat load of power, and should meet my needs...just not my wants. I think this is a stupid move on many levels, but I don't have all the facts either. I am trying to not let my disappointment cloud my judgement. But you never know what the future may hold...
     
  7. ScottB

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    I'm wondering if even the Pentastar is going to be downsized/replaced and turbo charging becomes the only way to get decent power. Trying to meet these unrealistic CAFE numbers is going to be a challenge, if not impossible, and full of compromises. Not a big fan of turbos, although they have come a long way in terms of reliability/longevity and reducing lag.
     
  8. Zagnut27

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    I don't have a lot of experience with turbos other than our Encore, so I don't have a lot to base an opinion on. But the 4cyl turbo in the Mustang gets good reviews, has lots of power with little of the dreaded turbo lag. I don't know, we'll have to wait & see, but I agree, if I want a Hemi...or any V8...I better get off my a$$ soon.
     
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    I was surprised to see that 25-foot Airstream Trailers weigh over 5600# empty and have loaded GVWs in the 7200# - 7500# range. I thought that 25 years ago they were significantly lighter. They must have heavier chassis than they used to.
     
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    It's too bad that they can't or won't reduce weight instead. Doesn't it seem odd that a midsize SUV like the Grand Cherokee now weighs more that much larger full frame American cars of the 70s and 80s?
    I know they have way more safety and convince features but my 07 Grand Limited weighs as much as our '75 Olds Delta 88, and that car had a separate frame, heavy steel bumpers like battering rams and thicker gauge steel. It was also about 2.5' longer and about 6" wider. The WKIIs weigh even more.
     
  11. TripleT

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    Not at all the safety content and convenience content is a order of magnitude higher
     
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    Trust me I am sure I am not the only one who wishes FCA US would make a heavy duty SUV capable for towing. Of course Suburban and Yukon XL 2500 models were discontinued. Also Ford axed the Excursion years ago. Everyone's answer is if you need to tow, buy a pickup. Too bad, there could have been a great niche for FCA.

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    Niche (usually) doesn't pay the bills.
     
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    It does if you already have all the architecture and engineering from another vehicle and sell it for a premium.
     
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    A very high premium to make up for the low number of units sold.
     
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  16. ScottB

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    Isn't that the formula to be used for the Wagoneer? High price, low volume.
     
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  17. ScottB

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    Sergio implied that the Ram brand is kicking the idea of a large SUV around again. With $2 gas maybe it will become a reality. I also read that GM may be bringing back the 3/4-ton versions of the Suburban and Yukon XL at some point.
     
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    The sound insulation windows are shocking heavy. The huge wheels. The big speakers. The amps. All that sound insulation.
     
  19. TripleT

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    the airbags, the energy absorption, the airbags, the side impact reinforcement, the extra strength in making a rigid platform, higher roll over standards..............

    the stuff is not without a weight penalty
     
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    Yep.

    Within a brand that is already doing quite well.
     

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