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We aré not the fastest anymore.

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by Mr.Source, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. Mr.Source

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    According to Edmunds in one of their tests, the Mustang Shelby GT 500 was faster than oye Challenger Hellcat widebody.

    Yes we have a lot of horsepower, but weight Is very importante.
    I know we will soon have a lighter Challenger, but se need to improve with the redesign.
     
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  2. Chebby7

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    Not gonna lie the new GT-500 is insane.
     
  3. Tin Man 2

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    The Challenger is a bigger car, it allows a family man to own a fast coupe as a daily driver. Speed is not everything, utility counts also.
     
  4. aldo90731

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    Agreed. Dodge has something good going with Challenger.

    Shedding weight is good, but don’t throw comfort out with it.
     
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    ill Wait for Cars.com to do a Drag Comparison as they are the only People who have managed to match Dodges Claims.
     
  6. JKU12

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    Meh who cares. It's embarrassing it took this long for a Mustang to be faster than a Challenger, as they're completely different cars.
     
  7. Stéphane Dumas

    Stéphane Dumas Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of drag, I won't be tired to see that clip of a Challenger going against a Civic. ;)

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8yj2zVjC5A
     
  8. Tin Man 2

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    That is NOT a stock Honda, Apples VS Oranges.
     
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  9. XRT2SRT

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    If true it was inevitable....called competition. NEXT...
     
  10. Beentherebefore

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    Yup...............and "Brand C" has been threatening for a while to beat both of them. Hopped up new Corvette will probably do it. Yes......not the same class of car but what powers a 'Vette usually ends up in the Camaro.
     
  11. Chase300

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    I watched that video...the issue looked to be getting traction off the line for both the Hellcat and Camaro.
    So I believe adding the Demon/1320 drag mode to the Hellcat would help a lot to even things back out.
     
  12. HotCarNut

    HotCarNut Defender of Reality
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    I think that’s actually Mr. Source’s point - the platform has stopped really being competitive. The new GT500 can go to the drag strip or the track. You now have to have a specialized version of the HellCat wide body to even compete at the strip. Is this really a huge deal? No. The GT500 is brand new while the Challenger platform for the HellCat variants has been around several years. I’d expect the next generation Challenger to be lighter, but not by a huge amount. Dodge probably just cedes the magazine tests to Ford and Chevy and focuses on selling cars.
     
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    Wasn’t the ZL1 already able to hook up better on the street surface anyway than a Hellcat? To me the Challenger is for those who want a better touring car, a muscle car instead of a pony car. And one has to hand it to Dodge to for once have done a real good marketing job with the Hellcat engines! While this comparison doesn’t include a Challenger it takes the hype level of the GT500 (for sure a great car) bit more down to earth:
    2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 vs. 2019 Chevy Camaro ZL1 1LE: Supercharged, Rear-Wheel-Drive Muscle Cars Go Head to Head (at https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a30540966/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-vs-2019-chevy-camaro-zl1-1le/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_cdb&utm_medium=email&date=011820&utm_campaign=nl19152030 )
     
  14. Mopar392

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    Nothing last forever...
    Let’s see when and how Dodge and Challenger comes out on top again.
     
  15. Devildodge

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    This is as confusing as the other post

    The one were the guy said the 11.4 beat the demons 9.7

    Did I miss something? Last I remember these were the numbers...


    When it comes to a powerful ride, both the Hellcat and the Demon deliver. ... The Hellcat can go from zero to 60 miles per hour in 3.4 seconds, while the Demon takes 2.3 seconds to get there. When it comes to quarter-mile speed, the Hellcat's is 10.9 seconds and theDemon's is 9.65 seconds.
     
  16. Chris mopar

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    What about the Redeye?
     
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  17. Devildodge

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    I think a cool comparison would be to put 4 6 foot 200 lbs adults in these 3 cars and send them to the road coarse, the drag strip, and then a 500 mile timed road course.

    Bet there would be a clear winner!
     
  18. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    And the 'ancient' AKA 'highly obsolete' Challenger's a bigger seller now than when it first came out.

    As for performance, as you stated, competition improves the breed.
     
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  19. Chase300

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    Maybe that is his point...not sure...but I would not agree. The Challenger is not a "sports car" which is what the Mustang and Camaro have become. Doesn't mean its no less fun to throw around a curvy road.
    My point is the hardware and software has already been developed and in the parts bin from the Demon/1320, so why not offer as an option for the top-end Hellcats? Or better yet, include it? Or is the suspension so different that the car won't go around corners???
     
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  20. dakrt99

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    GT500 put train lengths on the Redeye. Ford finally got back on top.
     
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