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what type of material is this rim constructed from ?

Discussion in 'Vans' started by Laser86, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. Laser86

    Laser86 Member

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    Looking to change out the rims and tires on an '02 I just purchased, on the van now are no name brand 20 " rims and tires and I want to switch them over to some 16 " Michelin.

    2002 Dodge driver side.jpg

    I have 4 - 16 " factory rims on my '03 I want to install on my '02 but I am not sure what they are constructed from, or the finish.

    2003 Dodge rim.jpg


    Does anybody know what material is used in the construction of these Dodge 2003 Ram Van factory rims, and the finish ?

    I am assuming these are factory rims because I have seen these type rims on several Dodge vans. I thought I have read somewhere that these are ' alloy ' rims, but then they rust in spots, however the rust comes off easily with a scotch pad and dish soap.

    I would like to clean these ' alloy ' rims up before I have tires mounted on them but I am not sure what would be involved in cleaning them up (wire brush, sand blast, paint).

    I found 2 - 16 " chrome rims at pull a part (25.00 each, with tire), but I only have 2 of them, not sure I will be able to find another 2, or the price. I have always liked the look of the ' alloy ' factory rims and that might be what ends up being installed, however if I had 4 chrome rims.

    pull a part chrome rim.jpg

    Also, does anybody know what solid one piece chrome lug nuts work with the factory center caps ?
     
  2. valiant67

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    The middle picture is a steel wheel, not an aluminum alloy, likely painted either argent (my guess) or sparkle silver.
     
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  3. Laser86

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    Yeah, I knew it was not aluminum, I was questioning why an '03 rim, up North, would show little rust and what rust there is would clean up easily with a green kitchen scrubbing pad and soap water. Suppose the steel could be have went through a hardening process or maybe contain additives (perhaps a steel alloy ?), similar to how the cross member in my '03 shows little rust while the frame rails rust through.

    Come to think of it, the rim for the spare tire shows significant rust.

    rusted spare rim.jpg



    Since this is the case, some wire brushing, sanding, and sand blasting with a primer and paint finish should work just fine, call me old school but I like the look of these plain ole factory rims, but I will keep my eyes peeled for 2 more chrome rims.
     
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  5. Shane Estabrooks

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    These metal rims from your dealer are not that expensive.. 18" steel rims for my Ram 2500 in Canadian $$ is 110 bucks...approx and I agree they look better. Also the idea of a custom paint job on them is a cool idea.
     
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    They pop up on ebay, too.
     
  7. Laser86

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    Yeah, finally got around to painting 2 of the factory rims, went with this some Rust-Oleum Metallic Nickel Spray paint :

    Rust-Oleum Stops Rust 11 oz. Metallic Matte Nickel Protective Spray Paint-7277830 - The Home Depot (at https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Stops-Rust-11-oz-Metallic-Matte-Nickel-Protective-Spray-Paint-7277830/100152057 )

    Seems like a decent color, not very expensive, hopefully get 2 new tires for them tomorrow, I was wondering if anybody knows where to get the lug nuts for these rims ? They have the Dodge Ram plastic center cap as pictured, I believe these are special lug nuts that do not crush the center cap when you tighten down the lug nut. Preferably a nice looking SOLID black or chrome lug nut. I bought some in the past but they were not solid so the outer casing worked its way loose from the inner lug nut.
     
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  8. Laser86

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    Yeah, I bought one off of E Bay so now I have 5 of them, one for a spare. I will still keep my eyes pealed for 2 16" chrome rims.

    I did not physically check to see if my B1500 2003 16" rims fit on my B1500 2002, from the factory 2002 are 15", 2003 are 16", the place where I had the tires taken off of the rims told me that they would, does anybody know for sure?
     
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    Those look like steelies. Alloys have thicker webs on the centers.
     
  12. Laser86

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    I think you are both right, my guess, and I am no expert on steel, is some type of alloy steel, apparently there is such a thing :

    Alloy steel - Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy_steel )

    Thinking the rims are made out of an alloy steel (with additives to reduce corrosion) which would explain why they had little rust compared to the spare, thinking to save money the spare(s) was made out of less expensive steel, but I do not know.


    Question : What type of lug nuts are required for these factory rims? I am looking over E bay and I only see ball seat available in 12x1.5, instead of 12x1.25, so thinking they might be 60* tapered
     
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    The spare rusted wires because it isn’t washed like the road wheels and salt sits on a horizontal spare wheel while it runs off the vertically mounted road wheel.. They are all the same wheel construction.
     
  14. Laser86

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    They could be constructed from the same material, but I do not think that they are, even the backside of the driving rims, to include where they bolted against the wheel hub, were relatively rust free, the only place on the driving rims that had only relatively mild pitting was on the inner circle just behind the webs. Car manufacturers try and save money wherever they can, if they can save .01 on a spare tire from using cheaper steel, x 3,000,000.

    It is obvious from my 03 that various steel parts on the vehicle corroded more than others, whether they were heat treated differently for added for strength or additives to the steel, which affected corrosion resistance, but noticeable differences in the rate of corrosion.

    What about the lug nuts, are these just standard 60 * flare lug nuts ? Do you know why these center caps crack (outer edge of holes stud holes) ? Is it because the plastic cracks over time due to age or because the lug nut digs into the plastic and forces it to crack ? I am not sure but I was thinking the lug nut might dig into the rim after being installed on the rim so many times and change the clearance related to the center cap.
     
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    There is one part number for all the rims of that design (actually two, but one is chrome). The small savings from making the spare wheel cheaper would be offset by the greater inventory complexity and cost of having to carry the second part.
    I've ran into the same thing. The wheel underneath just catches more crud and isn't cleaned.
     
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  16. Laser86

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    You could be right, still not sure, reason being I think I remember the spare as being black, with the driving rims being the Argent color, wouldn't a different color have a different part number ?

    Regardless, they cleaned up nice, like I said they were only slightly pitted on the inner ring behind the webs, so whatever they are made out of I am glad they were made out of a decent quality steel and could be repainted. Rims are somewhat difficult to paint, at least with spray cans in 80 + degree weather, easy to get orange peel, you have to paint them in 3 steps masking off the previously painted section, once I figured that out it was relatively easy, after 2 failed attempts. Trying to track down some blue lug nuts to match the pin striping. Do you guys use any type of anti seize on your wheel studs / lug nuts ? I use regular axle grease, that is what my dad showed me, never had a tire come loose and never had a lug nut seize on the stud.

    I always liked the look of these rims even if they are factory and simple, starting to look like a Dodge van again, I went with the BF Goodrich Advantage Sport LT, they have a nice ride to them, A LOT better ride than the old tires and rims that came with the van, actually the old ride was horrible compared to the new set up. The 16 " fit, don't seem to have any issues. I am using this as a work van so these are fine. Going to start working on the back.

    2002 Dodge van with 16 inch factory rims.jpg
     
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  17. Laser86

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    My mistake, the lug nut size is a 1/2 - 20.
     

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