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Who gets the new six?

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by Dave Z, Jan 31, 2018.

  1. freshforged

    freshforged Well-Known Member

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    Do you know of any transverse mounted Hemis in FCAs paddock? This is what the GME T6 will be pushing upmarket. Transverse enginebays will receive the GME T4 or perhaps a GSE.
     
  2. HotCarNut

    HotCarNut Defender of Reality
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    Nope, but there ARE transverse mounted v6s, which is why I was careful to point out the difference.
     
  3. eggwhite93

    eggwhite93 Active Member

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    The NA V6s will be replaced by turbo inline 4s.
     
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  4. T_690

    T_690 Well-Known Member

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    For RWD applications and turbocharging V6 60°, especially big bore V6 60° as Pentastar is, offers inferior packaging compared to Inline 6.
     
  5. MoparJoe

    MoparJoe Well-Known Member

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    especially with the size of the turbos they are using ....
     
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  6. redriderbob

    redriderbob Mopar Guru!
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    Not anytime soon... 3.6L e-Torque is in the lineup for the next several years and not just in the Ram 1500.
     
  7. James A

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    Same here!!! I6 all the way... makes more sense that it would be I6.
     
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  8. Muther

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    So my big question is, will this just be a bread and butter engine? Or will they let the evil geniuses at SRT have a go at it?

    If SRT did their magic on it, it would more than make up for years and years I have lined for a US version of the Slanted Hemi that the crazy Aussies made.
     
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  9. Don W

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    I'm pretty sure the people who worked the viper are working on the new six.
     
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  10. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator

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    I would expect multiple versions could be possible. Depends on vehicle and market.

    Mike
     
  11. Detonator Yellow

    Detonator Yellow Well-Known Member

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    Probably gonna derail the thread, sorry on advance but What would be better? An engine developed for performance and used for a mass global market or a global engine intended for most applications with a performance variant?

    Think 3000GT/ Stealth. They used a mass produced engine and tuned it for performance, and the 6.4 Hemi that was built for performance cars but found its way into heavy duty trucks.

    (hope I worded that right)
     
  12. GasAxe

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    It likely just comes down to cost and what the design parameters are. A born and bred hot motor may be too costly to put in a few hundred thousand mainstream cars while a good daily driver engine may need some exceedingly expensive upgrades to get any real performance out of it. The sweet spot may also depend on what brand it finds itself in. A Dodge engine will need to follow the brand image and be more on the performance side even in the most basic trim. A Chrysler may lean heavier toward economy and smoothness at a lower cost. Jeep can be harsher running as long as it puts out low end torque. Each configuration is a little different and each engine application, even when it's called the same name, can be pretty unique.
     
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  13. superduckie5000

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    Dundee Ain't All that Busy !
     
  14. superduckie5000

    superduckie5000 THE MAD DUCK
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    Hanging Turbo's off Both Sides (Or Even 1 Side) is a Problem on a V - 6 !
     
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    Absolutely!

    Agree. Big bore V6 60° run into packaging problems with turbocharging.
     
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  16. freshforged

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    I’m betting it’ll be Dundee as well. Makes too much sense with the WGE likely being phased out over the next several years. Wondering if FCA is considering using 3 cylinder units as compact “range extenders” for a plug-in hybrid system? If so, Dundee makes even more sense given its multiple plants, and a like-for-like replacement for the afore mentioned WGE.
     
  17. MJAB

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    The GME and GSE are "modular" engines families,

    "...
    These new engine families feature a modular approach from a shared cylinder design (allowing for different engine configurations, displacements, efficiency and power outputs) and are expected to cover a large range of vehicle applications and introduce features and technologies such as direct injection, downsizing, turbocharging, and cooled exhaust gas recirculation to improve efficiency, while also addressing internal friction and thermal management.
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    Similar approach was used for "Pratola Serra" engines in the past, so same family, but diesel or gasoline engines, 4 or 5 cylinders, cast iron blocks (most) or aluminium ones, ...
    For example the Alfa Romeo 4C engine, the 1742 cc 240 CV all aluminium alloy engine VVT is part of that family of engine sas well as is the 1.6 liter diesel engine 120 CV that is found in many different FCA models (Renegade, Compass, 500X, Tipo, ...).
     
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  18. Detonator Yellow

    Detonator Yellow Well-Known Member

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    So this engine is going to be an all arounder.

    Honestly I just wish we would have something as useful as the RB and the 1/2jz-gte. I understand that the 225 was that engine but I can't recall seeing it in a high performance application.

    I'm really excited about this engine and I'm following this story closely because when it releases I'll be 2/3 complete with paying for my Dart and it'll be cool to see it in a small coupe
     
  19. superduckie5000

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    The Slant Six Had a Hi-Po Version. Complete with a 4 - Bbl. Carb.
    The slant six Hyper-Pak (at https://www.allpar.com/mopar/hyper-pak.html )
    We Even Tried an Aluminum Block Version of the Slant Six.
    The Stories from My Older Fellow Toolmakers at Trenton Engine is that the Scrap Rate for the Alum. Block Was 80 to 90% .
    You Can't Make Money with a Scrap Rate that High.

    They Tried to Run them on the Cast Iron Block Line (Lift and Carry, Transfer Machines).
    Needless to say Cast Iron and Aluminum Has Very, Very Different Machining Characteristics.
    They Tried Different Drills and Other Tools. But the Machines Speeds (RPM & Feed Rates were Locked In)
    I Have Seen the Aluminum Blocks for Sale at W.P. Chrysler Car Club Swap Meets A Number of Times.
    The Original 4-Bbl. Intakes Too.
     
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    For many years, there were three of our unmachined cast aluminum slant six blocks in the basement. After many cleanups, they disappeared. I hope they were saved in any way possible, instead of being melted down.
     
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