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Why So Many Ford Focus RS Owners Are Freaking Out About Failing Head Gaskets

Discussion in 'Auto News & Rumors' started by romalerig, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. romalerig

    romalerig Well-Known Member

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    https://jalopnik.com/why-so-many-fo...tm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=fridayAM




    P.S.: D. Tracy is a former FCA engineer. He did work on the new Wrangler JL :)
     
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  2. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    NOT good for Ford since Hellcats are more reliable despite having superchargers.
     
  3. mopar22

    mopar22 Well-Known Member

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    Apples to oranges. The rs is what 35-40k while the hellcat is 60-65k? One is also awd while the other is rwd. It's not like turbo is bad or anything especially since the GT uses twin turbo v6 i believe it is.
     
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  4. scatpack_69

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    A complete swing and a miss. I'm all for Ford-bashing, but you failed to make any point. You're comparing two different things that are similar in no way (other than both cars with four wheels and tires, an engine, etc) and not remotely cross shopped.

    Your statement essentially equates to a problem with a Sea Doo benefitting the Yamaha ATV. Not relevant.
     
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  5. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    Actually; it is relevant since internal combustion engines have been around for well over 100 years and, especially a major manufacturer dropped the ball in this case concerning the Focus. If a Hellcat's more durable than said Focus, that doesn't reflect well on Ford as a whole since the head gasket problem should've been caught before the first retail model was ever released.
     
  6. scatpack_69

    scatpack_69 Active Member

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    No Bearhawke, you're WAY off. Like not even close.
     
  7. patfromigh

    patfromigh Well-Known Member

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    What would really be a disaster would be failing head gaskets in an entry level model. Like the regular Focus or the Dodge Neon back in the day. Oh wait:oops:.
     
  8. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    Correct.
    1. Both vehicles are extreme high performance variants of a standard model.
    2. Both vehicles have specialty variants of the same engine used by their respective standard models that use specific components that allow the engine to be able to reliably create big horsepower.
    3. Both vehicles cost significantly more than their standard variants because of the engineering and design that went into making them.
    If Ford missed something with the head gasket on the RS (wrong material, bad batch, tried to cut costs, etc.) then they are going to get burned and a very expensive, high profile vehicle will have an ugly black eye.

    Mike
     
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  9. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    Comparing the actual cost of a Hellcat vs a Focus RS is meaningless and misses the point.

    Comparing AWD of the Focus RS to the RWD of the Hellcat is also meaningless and misses the point.

    The point is, Ford is selling a high performance variant of a vehicle for a significant price increase over the standard model. If they chose the wrong head gasket it is a major fail by Ford. People who buy either a Focus RS or a Hellcat pay a lot of money for a high performance vehicle that is reliable and is not going to have head gasket failure while using the car as designed and marketed by the manufacturer.

    Ford needs to clean this up and clean it up fast.

    Mike
     
  10. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    Or maybe you simply missed his point?

    Mike
     
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  11. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    Bingo, and there are plenty of former Chrysler engineers at Ford that know better.

    Maybe the German side of the Ford (that did the work of the RS) should talk to those former Chrysler engineers about how bad head gasket failures can be to the image of a vehicle.

    Mike
     
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  12. hemirunner426

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    Oh no could it actually be possible that other manufactures than FCA have problems with there product?Manufactures that get a better JD power survey rating.

    Got a few here on Allpar that should absorb the information that's presented.
     
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  13. valiant67

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    Still does not change things. No one has said any make has zero problems.

    How do you explain Ford having better ratings? What in the JD Power process rewards Ford and punishes FCA?
     
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  14. mopar22

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    Should have used something that goes more hand in hand with the rs then like the type r, golf r, or sti.
     
  15. scatpack_69

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    How so Mike?

    The correlation to Focus RS and Hellcat simply isn't there. Period. That's akin to saying an issue with Lamborghini or Rolls Royce increases Dodge sales. It doesn't, as the two aren't remotely close. The RS and Hellcat largely attract a completely different demographic; one who's shopping the RS simply isn't looking at a Hellcat, and vice versa.

    We can wax poetic all we want, but facts is facts.
     
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  16. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    The point has been explained, if you can’t see it then it is not worth arguing about.

    Thanks,

    Mike
     
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  17. Mike V.

    Mike V. Mopar-nac The Moderator
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    Again, the fact that the RS and Hellcat are not direct competitors is meaningless to the point being made.

    Mike
     
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  18. hemirunner426

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    You know my thoughts on surveys and I know yours.
     
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    But yet you have never explained how the survey process penalizes the FCA brands.

    I know surveys are not perfect, but when similar results occur again and again, there is something there.
     
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  20. Bearhawke

    Bearhawke Things happen for a reason

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    Exactly; you nailed it in a nutshell.
     

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